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Glenn Beck is Pro-Gay!

Now it all makes sense. This week I heard Glenn Beck on his radio show, talking about his pro-gay stance. I could never figure out why Glenn Beck and his organization, his Mike Opelka, and his Donelly of the 9`12-ers, had been cold to me, in some cases downright mean. It’s the gay thing!! So many divisions in the conservative movement!

He said Donelly ran a gay parade! No wonder why she never returned my call. I publicly said there should not be homosexual themes on primetime TV shows like Glee where innocent children are watching and thus being indoctrinated into anti-Biblical ideas and lifestyles.

I publicly stood up for Biblical principles, that’s all. I don’t dislike any people group. I got a lot of flack from the media.

So, I guess Glenn Beck is now including the conservative gays, and excluding the conservative Bible-thumpers like me. Sigh.

I guess Mormons don’t take the Holy Bible so seriously, because their main book is the Book of Mormon, which I suppose doesn’t mention that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.

Interesting. I finally know why Glenn Beck never answered my TV show pitch idea! He’s Bible-phobic!!

I’m just wondering, how Beck will feel when his child or grandchild comes home from kindergarten with the book, “Susie has Two Daddies.” This issue is not just about freedom. His child will believe homosexuality is normal and not a sin. So, I guess the Bible is a lie?

(Also, won’t that mean the preaching of the Holy Bible will be considered “hate speech” and eventually made illegal? So…no freedom of religion? No freedom of speech?)

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  • dicentra

    The LDS Church considers all sex outside marriage to be sinful, and it does not (cannot) support same-sex marriage. http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-instructs-leaders-on-same-sex-marriage and http://mormon.org/faq/topic/homosexuality

    I can’t speak for Glenn as to why you were rebuffed by his people. Maybe it is as you say, that his people don’t like your public stance on homosexual portrayals on TV. I imagine that he supports his employees because they’re his employees, not because of their political beliefs.

    Whatever the case, it’s not because the LDS church doesn’t recognize that homosexuality is not part of God’s plan. The Book of Mormon doesn’t mention homosexuality at all, but we don’t take that to mean approval by any means.

    I’m sorry things didn’t work out for you. I think you have plenty to contribute to the cause.

    • Lilac

      Supporting anyone promoting the gay lobby on-screen is not “political beliefs”, it is satanic agenda. On the other hand, the Mormon church is a product of satanism anyway.

      • Stuart R. Taylor

        Lilac – same to you – go sell crazy and hate somewhere else. You are a total nut job.

        • summerelizabethball

          TRUTH lives here. TRUTH does not equal HATE! You sound like an athiest liberal. Am I right?

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Truth lives here? What a knee-slapper and EPIC FAIL! And you are dead wrong – haha – but that’s no surprise . . . . I am a conservative Christian. What “lives here” is hate, bigotry, distortion, and lies. BAM!

          • Knybee

            I would agree that what lives “here” in your heart is hatred. You are not of God. Wrong fruits dude.

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Knybee – So I see you have appointed yourself as my judge. Thanks, but Jesus is my Judge. But keep on doing what you’re doing to stoke the fires of hatred and bigotry. There is not any of that in my heart.

          • chamuiel

            and yet you keep calling names, assigning labels, and attacking Christians.

            Jesus never said we could not judge. He just said let the one without sin throw the first stone.
            Jesus will throw the first stone.

            Besides if we do not judge, how can we help you, our fellow sinners?

          • chamuiel

            So, you are admitting that you hate,are a bigot, create distortions, and lie.

            that is big of you owning up to that.

        • Knybee

          Wow, such a reasoned argument. And that lack of reason is proof that you are a coward!

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Knybee – Wrongo. But you are the hypocritcal coward, hiding behing your pseudo-Christianity like a fraud – and stoking the fires of bigotry and hatred. You’re doing a great job. Awesome!

          • chamuiel

            there you go assign some more hates, and call some more names.

            Are you so perfect that you can prove these things/

            Other than your mouth.

        • chamuiel

          are all mormon’s infantile name callers?

      • Brandon Johnston

        But, following the Bible more clearly than any other religion in the world?

        • chamuiel

          With an added chapter?

          Who gave ole Joe Smith the right to add to the bible?

          Hint, it was not God.

          • Brandon Johnston

            He did not add to the Bible, he translated another record Of our savior! Some higher power took place with his 3rd grade education.

      • TROLSEN

        Pound salt.

        • chamuiel

          Wow! Now that is original!

      • MichaelGC

        Glenn Beck speaks for himself only..

        Mormon, Catholic, Protestant, whatever — we have an enemy in common, and that is militant secularism, of which homosexual and lesbian foment is but one facet.

        Our squabbling pales in comparison to what they would like to do to people of faith if the secular zealots ever get the power they want.

        If this is not the time for Christians to put their differences aside and face the common foe with one accord, then there never was or will be such a time.

        • MARYANN33

          Mormons are our enemy….Anything not of Christ is sin…Rebuke it…That angel Moroni (moron i) was full of it…..

          • TROLSEN

            What do you know you ignorant bigoted fool. If I’m your enemy, bring it on. My only enemy is comments and actions of those who embrace and promote hatred like you did with comments like that. I don’t hate you. You are a child of God. But I do hate the evil you spout. I pray that God will bless you with more of Christ’s love in your heart and you accept it.

          • MARYANN33

            I pray you find out who the Mormon god is.

          • TROLSEN

            Jehovah, the Great I AM, the God of the Old Testament?
            His father Elohim who is the spirit father of us all including Jehovah and Lucifer. Thereby making them spirit brothers.
            Jesus Christ chose to follow His Father and our God, and give God all the glory.
            Both (Jehovah – Jesus Christ) and Lucifer are at odds because Lucifer, The Son of the Morning fell and was cast out along with 1/3 of all the hosts (spirits) of heaven that supported Lucifer. Because he, Lucifer, sought to take away the agency of man and force them to do what he wanted, and take God’s glory unto himself. Which the rest of us rejected, including you.
            Or, Jesus Christ who is the son of God born of the Virgin Mary as described in the New Testament).
            So to answer your question. There is no “Mormon god”.
            There is your God and my God – Elohim whom I worship through his Son Jehovah – Jesus Christ. Jehovah – Jesus Christ created all things and everything there in, including you and me under the direction of his father, Elohim.
            There is Johovah – Jesus Christ the Son of God whom I worship and have been saved from the fall, because of his Atoning Sacrifice. I try to follow his teachings, which by doing will lead me back to live with him and his father throughout eternity, Although I am saved anyway.
            If you believe that that is not correct and I should not follow what I have learned and been taught, fine. Do what makes you happy.
            I would rather live my life with the good choices I make following my Savior’s example and teachings so not only will I have a happy life, but a promise of a happy after life.
            However, if i listen to you by not following the Good Word and Good News that I am being taught, and other naysayers and individuals that refuse to improve life to those around them but being bitter, I’ll end up the same miserable way you will.
            And, if by some small chance I am wrong in my beliefs and I go through life and there is no reward at the end what have I lost?
            Nothing, I will have lived a good, happy life and all those around me will be in the same boat.
            If I deny what I know and live the with the understanding that you have, I’ll not be happy when the end comes because I will know what I rejected.
            My God teaches brotherly kindness, meekness and Love unfeigned.
            I hope yours teaches similar tidings.
            God Bless you for your inquiry.
            I hope you find some real lasting and true answers to the confusion you have.

          • MARYANN33

            What a bunch of bull….Jesus is God as is the father and the holy spirit…Satan is a fallen angel…no god in him…just a wanna be….You are his dupe…

          • TROLSEN

            Sorry, I’m glad you recognize yourself as being the dupe…
            I never said that there was any kind of god in Satan.

          • chamuiel

            Since, you brought it up, you are the dupe. You just don’t realize it.

            Say, about that magic underwear……………….

          • Brandon Johnston

            So you admit here that God come down as a man. So God once was what man now is??

          • MARYANN33

            He was also God at the same time…we are not…

          • Brandon Johnston

            Regardless God still came as man! He lived as a man, he suffered as a man

          • MARYANN33

            Not entirely…Father was God not human…half man…

          • Brandon Johnston

            any way u try and slice it God came down as man

          • MARYANN33

            We will never be Gods…..

          • TROLSEN

            You are a real pitty. With that attitude, I’m glad you wont be.
            What a waste to consider worshiping the likes of you.

          • chamuiel

            Well, we dang sure are not interested in worshiping you.

          • MARYANN33

            We will rule and reign with Jesus but we will never be Gods….He created us.

          • Brandon Johnston

            So when the Bibles teaches us that God will give us all he has, what do you think his means???

          • MARYANN33

            We will be his creations in his image and likeness but never Gods.

          • Brandon Johnston

            So we get all that he has to offer and all that he is. We are in his likeness and his image,but the fact he is a God is overlooked?

          • MARYANN33

            We are his creation…not his offspring…We are a triune being as he is Father Son and Holy Spirit, so we are body soul and spirit and we are a little lower than the angels….

          • Brandon Johnston

            lower than angels now but progressing through Gospel

          • MARYANN33

            No, we are what we are and will follow on to be. It doth not yet appear what we shall be, but when we see him we shall be like him….but that does not make us any kind of God….He is the only God….Quit beliving the lies…Find truth for yourself…Ask God to prove who he is…I am not writing more on this….I have the true God now you need to find him….

          • Brandon Johnston

            We will be given all that God has!

          • MARYANN33

            The one deceived will end up in hell…..

          • Brandon Johnston

            God will always be our God!

          • MARYANN33

            He likes to be called by his name, Lucifer….

          • Brandon Johnston

            I pray to our Father in heaven in the name of Jesus Christ. He has promised protection to anyone praying in this manner that our Father/God will hear and answer that prayer.Furthermore millions of other Mormans pray in this manner and of they were praying to the devil, then God would cease to be God. It is impossible to pray to satan under this manner.

          • Brandon Johnston

            We are promised protection if we pray to God in the name of Jesus, praying in this manner guarantees us the true God according to the Bible. I pray in the name of JESUS CHRIST to our father in Heaven.If we prayed like this and really it was the devil, then God would cease to be God. Millions of Mormans pray like this, and God promises us if we pray like this we then will be heard by the only True God. It is simply impossible to pray to satan In this manner .Not only are we promised to be heard by him but he will answer our prayer. This is a gift that anyone on the face of the earth is promised.

          • Brandon Johnston

            If we did not have this promise, we would all be doomed,including you and I.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Glory be to GOd

          • chamuiel

            The God in the old testament changed in the new testament.

            I think you are deceived, and are worshiping the devil.

          • chamuiel

            Angry Much?

            call names much?

            Yep, I can see your God influencing you.

          • Brandon Johnston

            wow,Mormans are our enemy, and you’re inspiration to make us an enemy comes From you’re God, he inspires you with the Holy Spirit to take up arms against us next?????

          • MARYANN33

            Mornons serve the devil but they do not know it.

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            How pathetic, hateful, bigotted, and ignorant you are to say such a thing. A real Chrstian would not do that.

          • MARYANN33

            A real Christian cares about your soul and wants you to know truth before it is too late…Cults do not want you to know who you are serving.

          • chamuiel

            But a Mormon would.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Is this Maryann Hastie?

          • Brandon Johnston

            Pretty strong statement to say we serve the devil…Wow..

          • MARYANN33

            I tell you the truth because you deserve to know it. You are in a cult.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Glad to know but the results in my life are very good from this cult!! It has helped my to overcome drinking beer,also it has helped me to pray everyday..To not commit adultery…To be forgiving, to follow Jesus, to have a hope of seeing him, to be able to see my family again…to have a hope to se God.. To not lie, to serve others, and to try and have the Holy Spirit each day…So ill keep on this path :)

          • chamuiel

            You only think you are following Jesus.

            Jesus never wore magic underwear.

          • Brandon Johnston

            its an interesting play here you are making, who or what inspires you to attack???

          • MARYANN33

            Experience with the many mormons in business and how they treat each other but not other Christians…Badly stung by them…Research into the Mormon cult…and that they have another Jesus, not the Christian one. My motive is to awake the believers that do not know they are duped…..It is tiring and I will quit posting this truth soon.

          • Brandon Johnston

            We all as humans insult each other, never attack a religion just because they insult…Jesus was insulted by his own, and they weren’t Mormans…

          • DonnaSC

            What is the “other Jesus?”

          • MARYANN33

            He is not the Christian Jesus, but another version…and in this case the brother of the devil…Jesus is God.

          • chamuiel

            How is that magic underwear working out for you?

          • Brandon Johnston

            Garments were used throughout Bible times. Just a symbolic reminder to covenants with our Savior.

          • chamuiel

            No, not enemies, just sinners who are lost.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Then why attack me rather come with a spirit of love and concern?

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Sorry Maryann, but you are full of it. You are a very hateful and angry person, and I do not recognize Christ in anything you are reflecting.

          • MARYANN33

            Because you are deceived….Truth often hurts…

          • Brandon Johnston

            I feel more confident in my position with the Mormans today than I ever have.

          • MARYANN33

            Then do yourself a favor and take another look….

          • Brandon Johnston

            I did in my latter age of my 30’s and read every ounce of anti-morman, anti-joseph Smith that I could. I came to the same conclusion across the board and that is that all the individuals that were talking against the church for full of anger and even rage without one exception and that all the teachings from the Mormans and Joseph Smith about Jesus were taught with real love and concern. Therefore I drew my own conclusion that the prior, was of a deceiving spirit full of anger, this is impossible to come as inspiration from God. So I would ask you to take another look with you’re God!

          • MARYANN33

            Look at Jesus with his whips…Look at God’s fury….take another look….God is not all sweetness and light….look at the Egyptians in the bottom of the Red Sea when it closed upon them…Look at the orders to wipe out the whole city and spare no man woman child or animal….not so sweet huh…the world would be a better place if they had obeyed him….Look at all the blood shed in the old and new testament…Being torn asunder as the disciples were does not sound good….And in heaven there will be no marriage or giving in marriage so what about your forever wives???? Think again…..The devil likes to come as a sweet old grandmother not the ugly hideous creature he really is. He actually would prefer you did not know he even exists…

          • Brandon Johnston

            1. You should read this carefully and note, that Jesus is not saying that there will be no marriage in “heaven.” Look at what was the questioned posed to him? He was being asked which of many brothers would be marreid to the wife? Interesting that the Saducees were asking about “in the resurrection” since the Saducees did NOT even believe in the resurrection. But I digress.

            The scriptures tell us that marriage needs to occur “before” we die. The act of marriage is what is being talked about here; note the terms the Savior used; the word marry can be used in many tenses. to marry, to be married, etc. The Savior is talking about the act of “becoming” married or of parents ‘giving” their child up for marriage, in heaven. That would be consistent with Mormon doctrine. After we die, we cannot become married, as it is something that we need to do “before” we die.

            If you read the wording carefully, you we see what I am talking about. Jesus is NOT saying that no one will be in the state of marriage in heaven, but is saying that no one will “get” married in heaven.

            To support this statement, look at what is being taught by Peter in 1 Peter 3:7
            7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

            Husbands and wives are “HEIRS TOGETHER” in the grace of life. That statement is certainly suggesting marriage in heaven as husbands and wifes are together heirs of eternal life.

            2. Eternal marriage in the Bible. See 1 Peter 3:7 that I just quoted. If we receive eternal life, the grace of Christ, together as husband and wife, that certainly is saying that the husband and wife relationship is also eternal.

            3. People have individual memories that focus on certain points. If you asked 5 people who were the witness of a traffic accident, you will probably get 5 differing points of view. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John remembered things differently about Jesus Christ. All of them wrote their individual gospel many years after Christ died, so that their recollection of detail may have varied.

            This is perhaps one of many reasons why the more witnesses we have a Christ, the better it is that we may have the truth. The Book of Mormon acts as another witness of Jesus Christ.

          • MARYANN33

            Oh dear one, we are going to be married to Jesus, male and female alike…We are the bride of Christ…male and female marriage was a show of what would come when we marry Jesus.

          • Brandon Johnston

            but how do you explain 1Peter3-7? It is very clear in our Bible.

          • MARYANN33

            Love your wives and be kind to them so your prayers will not be hindered. If you do not treat your wife well, God will not answer your prayers.
            Many Many will say in that day did we not do this and that and so in your name and God will answer, depart from me you workers of iniquity….I NEVER KNEW YOU…..Different God Different Jesus than the one who is the way to heaven….

          • Brandon Johnston

            You have a problem here, I do love my wife and treat her like an angel. I pray to our father in heaven in the name of Jesus Christ. I read from the KJV of Bible one day and alternate the next from the Book OF Morman. All I do and hear speaks of Jesus Christ the son of God and trying to follow him in order to get back to the father in heaven.

          • MARYANN33

            I think you are a very good and sincere man…God will likely make a way for you to follow him and leave all the mormon stuff behind…Go to a good Christian church with sound teaching…

          • Brandon Johnston

            Well this is a very nice approach from you it puts on more solid ground where the intention might be we could both find the same path to heaven. Have a nice day and thanks for sharing things with me.

          • Northpaw

            (John 14:6).

          • Brandon Johnston

            Yes, by the spirit we can know the truth of all things.. This is a great promise to the apostles he was speaking too and to us all as individuals as well. IF we have the spirit of God we can’t go wrong.

          • Brandon Johnston

            one common denominator I have found in people like you attacking the Morman beliefs is that it is always done with a “spirit of anger”?????????

          • MARYANN33

            I do hate the deception of the devil….I feel so bad for the people being duped.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Nice quick change in stance!

          • Brandon Johnston

            I have the truth and so can you! Both of us can together!

          • MARYANN33

            Sorry….not true that you have truth…..Do you have the mind of Christ…? Christians do.

          • Brandon Johnston

            YES

          • MARYANN33

            Cannot be or you would know truth.

          • Brandon Johnston

            In my mind and heart and soul with our God meaning you’re God and Mine I have truth. The problem is that you choose to reject it rather than challenge it in prayer.

          • MARYANN33

            I have prayed plenty on it and continue to pray that Mormons will know the truth and the real Jesus and Father and Spirit. We do not have the same God….

          • Brandon Johnston

            only one true god

          • Brandon Johnston

            We both have the same God and you’re answer will come in due time If you’re heart is open and you sincerely ask if the Book Of Morman is true. Give it some time and when it comes don’t fight against it anymore.

          • MARYANN33

            I will never be mormon…and neither should you…My God is the one true triune God…God in three persons….and that leaves us out of the equasion….Please wake up and ask God to show you…He will.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Yes God in three persons that’s right. 3 separate Gods.

          • MARYANN33

            Not three Gods one God…now…goodbye. You cannot understand the mystery of the trinity on earth.

          • MARYANN33

            I said I am done with this conversation. I have better things to do with my time….

          • MARYANN33

            My God is not the devil pretending to be God….

          • Brandon Johnston

            Joseph Smith was also first touched by the Power of God as he was reading safely from the Bible and was overcome by the Holy Ghost

          • MARYANN33

            All lies of the devil….all deception…Believe it or not…Up to you…Don’t tell me the lies. I have the real Bible and real God…I do not want to hear what you think of your cult.

          • lindasdf

            Do YOU have the mind of Christ? Being patronizing is not the mind of Christ.

          • MARYANN33

            We are promised the mind of Christ through the Holy Spirit…Yes I have both…

          • lindasdf

            And yet, you are still patronizing. When I was growing up, the biggest thing that kept me from making any sort of public show of faith was patronizing Christians.

          • MARYANN33

            Suit yourself…God likes me….

          • chamuiel

            Uh, We do not recognize Christ in Mormons.

          • Brandon Johnston

            neither did many people recognize the Christ in Jesus, because they were blinded with the teachings of men.

          • lindasdf

            Then you know nothing about Mormons.

          • Brandon Johnston

            very common among those attacking the Morman faith. One should ask where that inspiration to attack comes from??

          • DonnaSC

            Jeremiah Wright is a pastor of a mainstream protestant church. That proves all protestants are hateful and bigoted since he is, right?

          • Brandon Johnston

            Yes, along side with Jesus Christ himself!!

          • MARYANN33

            Careful now.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Careful?Why? Jesus appeared in Person to Joseph Smith to start the journey. The point is he was not deceived by just one being. IT would of had to been a fake Jesus and fake Moroni, a fake John the Baptist, a fake Peter James and John all appeared to him as part of the restoration.

          • MARYANN33

            Well, that is a no brainer…Devil has many disguises….Mormon story is complete bull…but he could have thought they came to see him, but it was not him….It is a complete lie, the whole story…..Mormon is a man made cult, with a little help from friend devil….Eventually all mormons will see that they have worshiped satan himself, but it will be too late.

        • Brandon Johnston

          yes Michael agree

          • chamuiel

            That is a shame you have let your self be taken in by the devil.

            I will pray for you to see the light.

    • LilMissPrepper

      Does it really matter what LDS considers sinful, since their entire belief system is sinful?

      Galatians 1:8-9

      8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

      • Stuart R. Taylor

        LilMissPrepper – Go sell crazy and hate somewhere else.

        • summerelizabethball

          TRUTH does not equal HATE! You sound like an atheist liberal! Why are you even here, if you do not appreciate Victoria?

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            “Your” truth equals hate and bigotry. I agree with Victoria on most things, and I do appeciate her, but she has gone off the resrvation on ths one.

          • Knybee

            If a man or women is sinning and someone tells them so that’s hating? Then all of the prophets who preached repentance were hating and bigots?

          • chamuiel

            Where is your proof of this, other than your mouth?

          • TROLSEN

            Victoria is ok a lot of the time. But she is NOT always correct. She has caused a stir here because of her failure to fully understand what was being said.
            Glenn Beck does not EMBRACE Homosexuality. He has a live and let live attitude. That is not EMBRACING it.

          • Knybee

            Live and let live is what the prophets preached? I suppose then any of those who preached repent didn’t understand that “philosophy”. That would include John the Baptist. So when he preached repent he was hating???

          • TROLSEN

            If you believe that. You are misguided.

          • chamuiel

            i have a live and let live policy on raping and pillaging.

            according to your theory, I am not embracing it.

            Do you parents know you have gone so wrong?

          • kqs

            she needs to spend more time preaching ALL of the bible she so rabidly clings to… thats my only ish i WAS hoping for more real bible stuff… freedom OF religion? i forgot! only applies to christians, yeh?
            for one thing…

            fail.

        • marahnatha

          There’s nothing more “hateful” than quoting an appropriately applied Bible verse. And it was Joseph Smith who said the angel told him that all denominations were wrong. Islam could have been avoided by this same verse by a guy sitting in a cave talking to an angel. Jesus and his disciples preached his whole doctrine publicly.No secret insider stuff. The whole Gospel to the whole world.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Amos 3-7 Surely the God will do nothing unless first he reveal his secret first to his servant the prophet.
            The Church Of Jesus Christ is not a secret now.

          • chamuiel

            It also says Beware of false prophets.

          • Brandon Johnston

            yes very true. but also speaks for the need to have true prophets.

          • TROLSEN

            That is exactly what Jesus did when he visited with Joseph Smith and that is exactly what Joseph Smith did in the preaching work given to him by Jesus Christ himself and other information received by heavenly messengers (angels). Sorry it was not an angel that told him that all denominations were wrong, it was Jesus Christ himself. Let’s get the facts straight here. You want to read it for your self? Here http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng is Joseph Smith’s Testimony word for word. I challenge you to read it, study it and stop making incorrect statements. Thanks

          • Mark A Flores

            Joseph Smith is a false prophet. He lied to you. Here are 11 basic prophecies that were wrong. I challenge you to read them. http://utlm.org/onlineresources/falseprophecies.htm

          • Brandon Johnston

            Thomas S.Monson is the Prophet now and I have no evidence of a lie from him.

          • TROLSEN

            I’ve read them all. They are wrong and you are wrong for believing them.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Such a thing was also said about Jesus Christ.

          • DonnaSC

            I scanned it. I have personally been in the Smith home in Nauvoo that the article says was never built. The Nauvoo temple was built, destroyed, and rebuilt and is now an operating temple. Others aren’t built yet, but will be. This is a sorry piece of work.

          • Brandon Johnston

            The adversary will always try to oppose the work and Glory of God. He inspired people to kill Jesus, but despite this his work still carries on. Just like the Morman faith and temples.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Very weak misguided information. Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God.

          • Kim Hansgen Granger

            Jesus said… I AM THE WAY, the truth and the life… He who comes to the father comes through ME. I don’t think LDS are wrong, as long as they believe and life as though THAT IS THE ETERNAL TRUTH.

          • Brandon Johnston

            yes you cant go wrong there.

          • Brandon Johnston

            No the angel did not tell him this, Jesus Christ Himself did.

        • Mark A Flores

          She is only quoting the Bible. I don’t see anything “hateful” or “crazy” in that other than you saying that.

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Mark, right . . . . . so calling the entire Mormon belief system “sinful” is not hateful? If you support that, then you can go sell crazy somewhere else too. I love how some “Christians” think that they can say whatever the hell they want as long as they quote scripture. What a crock of crap.

          • Knybee

            So calling the entire Mormon belief system sinful is hateful? How so??? Can’t it just be that the Mormons are wrong and someone’s pointing it out? To speak out is to hate? That’s a cowardly attitude that shows your own hatred towards justice. The false accusers always place others in condemnation without the mirror in front of themselves. Aren’t you saying whatever the hell you want too? Hypocrite!

          • Brandon Johnston

            Again I hope for you that you stand with God in this claim against The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints. I can say that I stand with God in that the Mormans is the only true and living religion on the face of this earth, if not may God strike me dead now.

          • Mohammed’s pink swastika

            Just like Islam, Mormonism a cult created out of the mind of a sinful man.

            The New Testament is the final revelation of God. Jesus Christ said on the cross “it is finished.”

            He did not say “it is finished, until some new charlatan comes along and decides to expand upon what the God of heaven and Earth has had planed from before creation.”
            Get it? He does not need the help of fallen men to complete his Testament.

            Even before the beginning of time Jesus Christ was God’s plan for salvation for the human race. Jesus Christ said that he is the great I AM, Jesus Christ is the word of God and the Word of God has said “it is finished.”

          • DonnaSC

            Then what about Acts and all the books written after his death? What about all the crazy doctrines that Emporer Constantine created in his conference at Nicea?

          • Brandon Johnston

            good ? and good points

          • Brandon Johnston

            God’s work is never finished Its about eternal progression. He says that many mysteries are held from us because we are not ready and those that knock and ask with faith that the mysteries of God will be revealed to them…It is never finished.

          • Knybee

            I have read the Book of Mormon and did not feel the same Holy Spirit that I found in reading the Bible. That is what I go by. God has a personality and I did not find Him there.

          • Brandon Johnston

            First off this is very common at first, you most likely read through it quickly with you mind already shut and assuming not from God. I had a friend do the same thing for a summer, but later fasted about It and realized it was true… God speaks through different personalites in the Bible, even different accounts of Jesus Life in the “Gospels”. Same thing is done with the Book of Morman Prophets…You need to look up ancient findings in Ohio, there you will see ancient cities on US soil dated back to before Christ..The Book OF Morman talks from these ancient civilizations we have discovered in America…Its not unreasonable to think Jesus cared about them as well and that he made himself available to them as well.. Don’t give up!!

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Knybee – Yours is a cowardly and intellectually shallow response. Don’t play word games with me. To purposefully misrepresent and lie about anything is a form of hate, and is an example of bearing false witness. Those who are intellectually and spiritually honest will know the truth – and I can telll you don’t get it either. So join the bandwagon of hate and bigotry against religions that you don’t agree with. That’s real Christianity, right? You don’t have to accept other religions, but nobody is entitled to misrepresent and lie about them.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Many religions are good and teach Good things.

          • Mohammed’s pink swastika

            but only one teaches the truth.

          • chamuiel

            And the Mormons know all about bearing false witness!

          • Knybee

            Ah, nice juxtaposition. I say that you’re a coward and you say that I’m one. Like a little child says, “You are!”. Even though in your own mind you have notions of grandeur, you are not an intellectual. You don’t know the truth. And you don’t know God. But that’s a given.

            There is a true God and He is the truth. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of the living God and the koran says that he isn’t. That means that one of them is true and one of them is false. The koran is false in it’s words that deny Christ’s place and therefore it’s foundation is based upon a lie. It doesn’t matter what else is in that book.

            It’s not about “accepting other religions” it’s about speaking the truth. When you speak the truth, even though others may disagree with you, it shows that you love God and His ways and also others for having the courage to not just go along with their false beliefs or doctrines. If you truly loved others then you would care whether or not they were going the right or wrong way. But you don’t. You take the easy way and tell them to do whatever they want. Every “religion” is fine to you. That’s not love. But it is the extent of your posing like it is.

            Yet if you truly believed in the truth and checked out these facts you would then merit some intellect and really be someone who believes in the truth not someone who poses like he does. You can’t answer this argument about the difference between what the Bible says and what the koran says because in your cowardice you’ll run and hide behind your own bigotry. You don’t need facts, you just know.

          • lindasdf

            Merely calling us wrong is not the problem. The problem comes when lies are used to say we are wrong.
            If someone says they don’t believe the Book of Mormon is the word of God, that’s one thing. I can respect that.
            But when someone says they don’t believe us because of some far out “doctrine” that was made up out of some obscure quote by some past leader, that’s where the problems are.
            The hate comes when we insist that this is NOT what we believe, and we are told that we do so believe it, and then the real kicker: “Oh, you Mormons don’t know what you believe!”

          • Knybee

            I have told no lie so you’re speaking to the wrong person. Are all Mormons truthful? Have they never told lies about others? Are they immune to such sins? But even so, the question is not about those who follow the doctrines of the Book of Mormon. The real question is whether Joseph Smith was a true or false prophet. The foundation of what a person believes is what matters to God. Where your treasure is there will your heart be. If someone believe that what is true is a treasure then they will act accordingly.

          • Mohammed’s pink swastika

            Mormons do not believe that Jesus Christ is the same I AM from the old testament, and therefore they do not believe the Jesus Christ is who he says he is.

            Jesus said: before Abraham was born, I AM.

            You are not a Christian if you do not believe what Jesus said about himself.

          • DonnaSC

            Yes, we do. End of story. Now go get your money back from whoever you paid to teach you silliness like “Mormons don’t believe Jesus is the I AM from the Old Testament”

          • Brandon Johnston

            Christian we and we believe all Things Jesus says and said.

      • Brandon Johnston

        and may God stupor the growth of this Church now and its people!!

        • lindasdf

          Why would you say something like this? This is a hateful statement.

          • Brandon Johnston

            lol, you did not read up top …They were critisisng mormans, and I was being sarcastic,because the growth from early church has not been hindered.The fact is it has grown!

          • lindasdf

            sorry my bad!

          • Brandon Johnston

            no prob, I was trying to defend, there had been several attacks in the conversation, so I ad been trying to address them.

      • AFS1970

        To most of us no, but since Glen Beck claims to be a good Mormon, knowing what that entails is at least relevant to the discussion. I would not want to gamble my salvation on it, but it can still be used to expose hypocrisy.

        • TROLSEN

          Whatever. I don’t gamble, period.

        • Brandon Johnston

          yes he might be a liberal morman, but clearly the church position on marriage is only between a man and woman, according to our belief in the KJV bible.

      • TROLSEN

        Ok, you are the judge and our savior. Thank you very much. Not.
        Problem here is that you can not accept the FACT that Jesus Christ himself and God (Elohim) appeared in the person to Joseph Smith and told him that all churches were false and that he was not to join any of them. Because …they teach with their lips, but their hearts are far from him (Christ) … and that he would send heavenly messengers (Angels) to bring him further instruction.
        So where is the problem here?
        The problem I see here on this comment section, is that there are so many individuals (you included) that have only bits and pieces of information and then you try to make a total conclusion regarding something that you totally do not understand.
        I challenge you to study and read more from the source that you are trying to defame so you will have a complete understanding of what the truth is before you try to convince others to your incorrect point of view.

        • chamuiel

          God appeared to Smith?

          You sure ole Joe wasn’t stoned?

          • Brandon Johnston

            Yes later he was tarred and feathered, beaten,and killed by orders from our government, because he would not deny his faith! Read the story its very interesting to say the least..

      • DonnaSC

        Uh, no. I was a Christian before I was a Mormon and am STILL a Christian. Maybe you should check out some fruits and quit listening to people trying to make a buck on dividing and contending. By their fruits ye shall know them.

      • Brandon Johnston

        Its starts with Joseph Smith by Jesus Christ. So its not practical that Moroni, Jesus,God, John the Baptist and others all come different beings and deceiving him…

      • lindasdf

        Paul was not talking about Mormons. He was talking about the apostles of Christ insisting that Gentile converts to Christ must first become Jews (the gospel of circumcision, see Galatians 2).
        I don’t know when people are going to learn that merely throwing Bible verses at Mormons is not going to make us just curl up and die, and leave our church. It just proves to me that the Pew survey was right, that Mormons know their Bible much better than most non-LDS Christians.

    • MARYANN33

      Mormons are full of it…entirely.

      • Brandon Johnston

        cast rest. Yes fullness of the Gospel OF Jesus Christ.

        • MARYANN33

          Not hardly and badly deceived.

          • Brandon Johnston

            I don’t know you but I know this much, that we have the same God and he would want us on the same page together and to both Go to heaven… It is clear today that one of us ha been deceived, I can only pray that one day we meet together in the Kingdom Of God.

      • TROLSEN

        Funny if how Mormons are “full of it” as you say.
        Why then are they the first organization of people to help in any disaster to help fellow human beings? They Give hundreds of thousands of human hours and millions of dollars to help. The church and it’s members help everyone. There is no determination of whether the help is going to members or non-members. It doesn’t matter because all people on earth are God’s children and we are all in this together.
        Isn’t that what Christ would do?
        You don’t hear a word of thank you on the Lame Stream media (Not that the Church wants the attention). Get a grip. You will be one of the first to expect your government to help you out in an emergency, (Which will not work).
        I challenge you to review https://www.lds.org/topics/humanitarian-service/helping-hands?lang=eng very closely before you continue to spout your venom about what is good and Christlike in the world.
        Thank you.

        • MARYANN33

          Check our your church’s core beliefs…such as Jesus and Satan are brothers???? And we shall all be Gods…not.

          • TROLSEN

            Did you not read my earlier post to you about the subject? Your question was answered there.

        • chamuiel

          It has always been the devil’s plan to have his own religion.

          What better way to get it accepted by those like you than to perform charitable works?

          Jesus said no one enters Heaven on good works alone.

    • Stagester

      Its funny that marriage was much stronger when the state wasn’t involved. Marriage only started getting sanctioned by the state in order for the state to collect taxes. As for the LDS church’s stand on same sex marriage it is well known they oppose it though on polygamy while they purport to oppose it they secretly sanction it. It is illuminating that a judge in Utah held up the constitutionality of polygamy in the same argument with same sex marriage.

    • Kim Hansgen Granger

      Ridiculous. He didn’t say what Victoria is claiming. She is bearing false witness, which is a sin.

    • Brandon Johnston

      marriage between a man and women should be protected by our government. period!!

  • ForMotionCreatv

    Could it be that Glenn Beck is really working for the GOP Establishment Elites, the Marriott Dynasty, and these guys? Meet the ‘Partnership for a New American Economy” http://www.renewoureconomy.org/about/

    • dicentra

      I very much doubt that Glenn is mixed up with them. The fact that both Marriott and Beck are LDS means exactly squat. We don’t roll like that.

      • ForMotionCreatv

        Was Marriott a big Romney supporter?

        • Brandon Johnston

          The fact is that Mormans are much more than just Christians, they actually try to live like Christ taught. As far as polygamy goes it actually was practiced in the Bible and even condoned by God(See Abraham and David was allowed many wifes). So rather than attack Mormans because of Glenn Beck it may serve justice to try and understand why the Bible teaches in the old Testimant that it is ok. The Mormans correct name is The Church of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints. Also in Ezecial 37-12-20 in the Old Testimant it makes a statement that another record/writing will come about and combine with the Judah record being the Bible.. Where is this record???The Book OF Morman are writings from Ephriam and about Jesus Christ himself and actually the two records are brought together to clarify what the Bible is trying to teach.Think about it here, From the teachings o the Bible there are 1000 different religions teaching/practicing differently but yet all claiming they are true while collecting payments of tithing at the services..The Mormans do not have paid ministry.. So the Book OF Morman is the other record that comes about that the Bible mentions and if not then I would encourage each of us to find the record of Ephriam..

          • Brandon Johnston

            Glenn Beck is not the spokesperson for the Morman Church and clearly marriage outside of a man and woman is wrong.

          • Paulita Gilberto

            God meant from the beggining, one man for one woman but allowed divorce because of the hardness of man’s heart. We don’t have that excuse today because Jesus came to bring the light of truth to the world. There are many voices out there, but the true sheep hear the voice of he True Shepherd.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Very True.

      • Guest

        The assertions you are making here are pretty absurd. As far as LDS being Biblephobic, As a LDS Religion teacher I have spent many years teaching both the Old and New Testaments. Lumping all Mormons together professionally (Marriots, Beck, etc) would be laughable if not so ignorant. Why not lump Methodist professionals together, or Episcopalians which would make as much sense. Ever heard of Harry Reid? Our Church teaches correct principles and let the members govern themselves. Glen may have Libertarian views that differ from mine, or Mr. Marriot or the Mormon guy down the street. We don’t feel threatened by that. Our church’s stand on the gay issue is pretty clear and feel free to go to LDS.org for officail statements. But just to summarize; The church rejects any marriage outside one man and one woman. They reject any sexual relations outside that marriage relationship as sin, be it heterosexual or homosexual. As the same time, they welcome all of Gods children to come unto Christ and live his commandments no matter what their sexual orientation.

  • ForMotionCreatv
    • Paulita Gilberto

      Rupert sold off Fox News. They are Arab owed now.

  • LilMissPrepper

    Well, its not like he actually follows the Bible or is Christian.

  • hiyauriah

    The Mormon church is no longer anti-gay marriage because they came to the realization that if its legal, they can push to legalize poligamy (which is still part of their non-Christian religion). I’ve been warning friends about GB for several years. So many people (and some that should know better) are being decieved into thinking that the LDSers are just misunderstood Christians.
    They’re not, because they’re not Christians. Jesus Christ and Lucifer are not half brothers conceived in heaven by ‘heavenly Father” and 2 of his many goddess wives. God Almighty was not once a man on the planet Kolob. Magic underwear does not keep you from disease and sin, dark skin is not a curse of God, and Joseph Smith Jr. doesn’t stand at the door of Heaven granting or denying entrance to anyone.
    If anyone would like to find out more about LDS beliefs, http://www.utlm.org has excellent resources. Jerald and Sandra Tanner are the founders of Utah Lighthouse Ministry. She’s a great-great-granddaughter of Brigham Young. http://Www.irr.org and http://www.thebereancall.org are have great resources.

    • Stuart R. Taylor

      Hiyauriah – you, like the Tanners, are a joke. They have been exposed as frauds and bottom-feeders for years.

      • marahnatha

        All the points she makes are true. You can say they aren’t, but The Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon are out in the general population now. They can’t hide it.

        • TROLSEN

          And your point is?

      • Brandon Johnston

        so have priest in other churches across the world!!

    • summerelizabethball

      Excellent points! I agree, mormonism is not Christianity. It is a cult. Mormonism denies essential Bible teachings and adds false doctrines.

      • Brandon Johnston

        Well said, but I hope you stand with God in this claim!

      • MaranathaMark

        I know I am going to offend some folks with this statement, but the truth is, Catholics are NOT Christian either, for the very reasons you correctly identify Mormons/LDS folks. I have several Catholic friends who I love dearly, but despite their claims to be “Christian”, they can’t up hold the Catholic religion which deviates from the Bible, and be follower of Yeshua Hammashiach. The Bible is an “All or Nothing” proposition. You can’t pick and chose the parts you like and say the rest is error or don’t apply, unless the Bible tells you it doesn’t apply! I am a The Blaze TV subscriber, but my theology comes from the Bible and not a radio and/or tv commentator, nor from any man, other than Yeshua Hammashiach, Himself! The Bible is plainly written to anyone who would seek the wisdom within it! That said, we are to love the sinners, but NOT the sin, thus when Glenn supports the gay life-style, he can NOT call himself a “Christian” as he is fond of doing! Nor can one support adultery, theft, or any sin for that matter and be a Christian, as we are NOT to promote sin in any form, for any reason. As it says, you will know them by their fruit. Salvation comes from faith AND repentance of one’s sin. Living in worldly way or sinful life-style demonstrates a LACK of real or true Repentance. Don’t get mad at me, if this doesn’t sit well with you, I am merely the messenger, your beef is with the Holy Trinity, if what I’ve said offends you! If you love someone, you have to share the truth with them, even if it isn’t going to sit well with them. Yes, we all fall short at times, but followers of Yeshua are quick to repent for their transgressions to restore fellowship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Though I think Glenn is wrong about homosexuality and his being a Christian, I do love him as Yeshua commanded us to. My prayer is for all to eventually see the error of their ways, repent and come to salvation through Yeshua. The choice is for each of us to make, regardless of the sins we are in or have done, all can be forgiven, IF we Believe and Repent!

        • AJ Steele

          It’s laughable when I see the Catholic Church being scolded about the bible. The CC compiled the bible. First, prove from the bible that the bible is the only rule of faith. If your using 2 Tim 3:16, it doesn’t say, “only scripture”, its says all scripture . Second, tell me how you know what books belong in the bible?

          Finally, prove that you have the authority to interpret the bible.

          • MaranathaMark

            AJ, who gave us the Spanish inquisition, Crusades, and duped thousands of poor Catholics into trying to buy their dead relatives out of purgatory? As for the Ethiopic Bible predates the Catholic Bible (72 book Bible) or the Christian Bible (66 book Bible). The Catholic Church use the illiteracy of the medieval Europe to keep their member inline!

          • AJ Steele

            Only a close minded individual says, “of course you can’t” without seeing the response first. 1Tim 3:15 tells you the church is “the pillar and foundation of the truth”, not the bible, the bible didn’t even exist when this verse was written.

            Oh yes, drag up the old Crusades issue as if the megadeniminations of Protestantism haven’t killed with the wackiest ideas known to man.

            Yeshiva is the truth, and the CC is the foundation of that truth. There are not many truths. Your bible was compiled by the Catholic Church, period. Did the Holy Spirit get it wrong? Stop the revisionist history, you might actually learn something.

          • MaranathaMark

            Only a Catholic would believe that the “church” spoke of there, was the Catholic church, and only a Catholic would believe that the church is truth over the Word of YHVH. By the way, it isn’t “YESHIVA”, but you probably don’t know any better, so I’ll let it slide. You, are a perfect example of the brain-washed masses that serve the Catholic Clergy. You don’t serve the Holy Trinity, but rather the leader ship of your religion. If you weren’t brain-washed, the errors of Catholicism would be obvious. I truly pity A. J. as you view the Bible is less than the church, but knowing how the Catholic church loves to manipulate its congregations, I am not surprised. It is true that the Catholic church did play a part in the canonization of the current Bible, but there was a Church that operated long before Canonization of what we use now, and there were Bibles in use – Basically what is now referred to as the Ethiopitic Bible. IF you believe the Catholic Church is the “foundation of truth” you are truly beyond help! LOL! A religion where it’s clergy is full of perverse men on a power trip! You are the one that subscribes to the “Revisionist History”. Hopefully, someday before you die, you’ll finally see the truth and accept salvation! However, as complete as the brain-washing is in your case, A.J., I think you are beyond help!

          • AJ Steele

            You don’t sound like your practicing Christian principles with your writing style. No, its Yeshua, the Hebrew name for Jesus. You’ve brainwashed yourself into believing that religious people can’t do wrong.

            But your anger has blinded you . I didn’t say the Catholic Church is “above” Jesus, it is a foundation. Can the church and Jesus be the truth? Yes. One supports the other.

            By what authority do you interpret scripture? I can hear you saying ,”God”. Until you go down the street to a different Protestant church that
            teaches something different from God. I was a Protestant for 20 years, hard core and anti Catholic. Try a new approach.

          • MaranathaMark

            Oh, I didn’t know there was a “Christian Writing Style”, Wow! Learn something everyday. Actually, Yeshua is the Savior’s name, “Jesus” is the English term for it. You see, Yeshua is the name YHVH gave Him, and the name that Mary and the Apostles called Him. The name, ‘Yeshua’, came way before the name “Jesus” or even “Iesus” or “Iesous” via the Greek Language, which pre-dates your Catholic’s Latin language.

            Where did you get that I believe that “Religious people can’t do wrong.” Your Catholic church is a prime example of a LOT of Wrong being done by religious people, but pretty much all denominations have their share of evil and/or ignorant folks, both in the clergy and layman. Yeshua is the Truth, the “Church” is comprised of Yeshua’s followers.

            No, I don’t use the term “God” unless talking to folks who refuse to acknowledge His name, YHVH. But, my authority comes from the Bible, which is the Word, which is Yeshua, or does your Bible not have John 1:1-5 in it? I’ve been to a Catholic mass, I’ve been to a host of other denomination’s services, and most have error in their doctrine, for most deviate from the doctrine of the Bible. You see the Bible is the “Rock” upon when our theology is to be based upon, and the standard by which all doctrine is measured, NOT to be subordinate to the ever changing doctrine of men. When any denomination deviates from the doctrine of they Holy Bible, they are in error, not the Bible! If you became a Catholic after being a Protestant, in my opinion, you jumped from the frying pan and into the fire. The fact that you have the theology you have tells me you never really had or have a real relationship with the Holy Trinity, and that you are more than happy to rely upon the directions your clergy give you, when they are merely men, just as you or I. Yes, they have accepted a bit more responsibility by joining the clergy, but their authority to interpret the Word is no higher than it is for all Followers of Yeshua. 1 Peter 2:9 states that ALL believers are of a ‘royal priesthood”, but prince and priest, and that would be enough in and of itself to grant me and everyone else that follower Yeshua to interpret the Word. Of course, since you see the Bible as less than the Church, you will never find the truth, only shades of it. I am not so much anti-Catholic as I am anti-false teachers and anti-error in the Church. But you tell yourself, whatever you need to, to get you through the times when your Catholic church’s worldly habits slip into the light!

      • TROLSEN

        Wrong.

    • Tyler

      Absolutely! I was baptized into the Mormon church in my early 20’s after going through a very tough time in my life. I was vulnerable and seeking and the Mormons were there to tell me all I wanted to hear. They veil their truth with the name if Jesus Christ and with wonderful family values but once I began studying advanced Mormon doxology, I quickly realized I was in an anti-Bible, non Christian, cult.
      I am saved today because by the grace of God I was chosen before time to be in the book of life. I have received my life, my faith, and my eternal salvation by no hand other than His. I recognize the Mormon religion for what it is – a spectacularly well crafted counterfeit of true Christinity designed and run by the adversary himself for the purpose of confusing and leading people away from God.

      • Brandon Johnston

        this is why you must have a strong testimony of the Book Of Morman. May I ask how you know the Bible is True alone??

        • Paulita Gilberto

          The Bible says so. There is no other way to the Father but through the Son. There is no other Gospel but the one Jesus gave, even if you get it from an angel . If you reject that, the Bible is no longer relevant to your faith. You have added to the word. We will never be God or be savior of our own planet. We would fail like Adam did because we are human and not deity. Adam was created by God, in the image of God & was no more “God” than your mirror reflection is “you.” We do not “hate” Mormons or homosexuals. It is God’s will that none should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.

          • Brandon Johnston

            We already now that Jesus came down as A God but lived in the flesh as a man.. So clearly God once was man, even the very story published in our Bible says this… The purpose is that Jesus condescended below all things and suffered all things for us.. And we can grow to understand him better because of this..Also Jesus now stands as a God and commands us to be like him and he will grant to us an inheritance of all he has to us with eternal life. To enherit all that he has is to be like him.

      • Paulita Gilberto

        Every person ever conceived is in the book of life. We are blotted out when we choose not to receive the light God has given us.

        • Brandon Johnston

          yes and Revelations says we are judged from the books (out of the books) Plural.

      • TROLSEN

        Any time you want to come back and listen to the truth without outside distractions, you will be welcome. God speed.

    • Brandon Johnston

      polygamy was pushed in the Old testament is of greater concern to me than in the early Morman church!!

      • Paulita Gilberto

        It was pushed by man, not God. Sarah offering her servant to Abraham, rather than trusting God’s promise, for instance, was not God’s will. But God was merciful then as He is to us now, remembering that we are but dust.

        • Brandon Johnston

          But David had many wifes and concubines, but only sinned in the eyes of God by going after anothers wife being Besheeba. The other plural wives he had was allowed without sin. This is clearly what our Bible teaches us… Now it was either allowe by God, or man injected this in the Bible on his own, in which case as the Bible stands alone creates a problem.

    • TROLSEN

      Yeah, go ahead and believe their blustering. They are wrong and you are also for believing it.
      I pity you and the way you have and are being deceived.

  • Giulianna

    I am not sure I see Beck’s statement the same as you took it (and mind you I am not a fan of Beck either). But Penn Jillette is wrong on his statement. So just to clarify, our Founding Fathers did use the term Christian(s). Thomas Jefferson called himself one even in his writings. Here it is:

    1816 January 9. (Jefferson to Charles Thomson). “I
    too have made a wee little book, from the same materials, which I call
    the Philosophy of Jesus. it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by
    cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a
    blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. a more beautiful or
    precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. it is a document in proof
    that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel, and themselves
    Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their
    characteristic dogmas from what it’s Author never said nor saw. they
    have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the
    comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics
    and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognise
    one feature. if I had time I would add to my little book the Greek,
    Latin and French texts, in columns side by side, and I wish I could
    subjoin a translation of Gassendi’s Syntagma of the doctrines of
    Epicurus, which, notwithstanding the calumnies of the Stoics, and
    caricatures of Cicero, is the most rational system remaining of the
    philosophy of the ancients, as frugal of vicious indulgence, and
    fruitful of virtue as the hyperbolical extravagancies of his rival
    sects.

    • cheatotoole

      yeah, reading comprehension. the whole point of this passage is about how Jefferson believes the bible is fallible, and full of magical nonsense. At the end, he asserts that Greek philosophy is as worthy as Christianity’s moral code. You have clearly never heard of the Jeffersonian bible (to which this passage refers), per wikipedia
      “Jefferson’s condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages indicating Jesus was divine.”

      • Giulianna

        I find your comment quite amusing and lacking comprehension. ;) The point is not whether Jefferson is what some would consider “Christian,” but that he considered himself to be Christian and did indeed use that terminology. Furthermore, he never considered what he put together to be the Jefferson Bible, but rather he cut and paste the passages he found to be relevant to his life and he considered it to be the philosophy of Jesus. He was also anti-Plato, which is part of Greek philosophy. He found Plato’s The Republic to be unintelligible jargon and felt had Plato’s republicanism came to be, “we should now have been all living, men, women and children, pell-mell together, like beasts of the field or forest.

        I have read and studied all of Jefferson’s writings, as well as other Founding Fathers and that is why I knew the claim they did not consider themselves to be “Christians” and did not use that terminology, but rather called themselves Deists, etc…was lacking in substance. It is why I could immediately refute that lie we are taught today.

        As for wisdom being found in other texts, besides the words of Jesus, I have no issue. I read a lot of writings from various sources, even those with which I disagree. I take what is good and file it and discard what is trash, of course…all of that being my opinion, which you have the right to disagree.

        Thanks for dropping by to share your misunderstanding of not only what I was stating, but what Thomas Jefferson said/believed. Hopefully, you will take the time to actually go read his writings instead of just read the Wikipedia version of what he supposedly said and believed. I think you will find blessings in it. :)

    • xlthim

      Jefferson has publicly stated that Jesus was a great moral example of how a man should conduct himself, yet denied the deity of Jesus Christ. And he still called himself a Christian. These two can not go together. Just like a majority of those in the US that call themselves a Christian just because they were born here and haven’t chosen to be anything else. It doesn’t work that way and they are in for a rude awakening someday.

      • Giulianna

        I cannot say whether or not Jefferson became saved. I have read his works and personally disagree with much of what he believed about God/Jesus, but only God knows what became of him between the time of some of his beliefs and the end. I do agree that many who call themselves “Christians” are not Christian and is part of the huge issue today of why so many who practice immorality while claiming the title have the world confused as to what is right and wrong (every person doing what is “right” in their own eyes, instead of by a Standard).

        That was not the point of my statement. If you watched the video above in its entirety, you will understand it was a response to the claim made by Penn Jillette (who I do happen to agree with on some issues, but not all…and this being one of where he is buying into the lies fed to us today about what our Founding Fathers said/did). Mind you, I do have children who make noise and perhaps I missed something in the video myself, but was responding to what I did pick up.

        Thank you for commenting and blessings to you! :)

  • Lorrie Reynolds Peterson

    The assertions you are making here are pretty absurd. As far as LDS
    being Biblephobic, As an LDS Religion teacher I have spent many years
    teaching both the Old and New Testaments. Lumping all Mormons together
    professionally (Marriots, Beck, etc) would be laughable if not so
    ignorant. Why not lump Methodist professionals together, or
    Episcopalians? That would make as much sense. Ever heard of Harry Reid?
    Our Church teaches correct principles and lets the members govern
    themselves. Glen may have Libertarian views that differ from mine, or
    Mr. Marriot or the Mormon guy down the street. We don’t feel threatened
    by that. Our church’s stand on the gay issue is pretty clear and feel
    free to go to LDS.org for official statements. But just to summarize; The church rejects any
    marriage outside one man and one woman. They reject any sexual
    relations outside that marriage relationship as sin, be it heterosexual
    or homosexual. As the same time, they welcome all of Gods children to
    come unto Christ and live his commandments no matter what their sexual
    orientation.

    • summerelizabethball

      You cannot have fellowship with Christ and continue in a homosexual lifestyle. LDS is a cult. You belong to a cult. You are not a Christian. Your cults stance on marriage and homosexuality is irrelevant. You do not belong to a religion. You belong to a cult group. PERIOD.

      • Susan A Davis

        You are why some people will turn from Christanity, Everyone is savable according the Jesus. Except those who Blasphemy. Even th Christian Religon has flaws in the way they follow the Bible. It was hand written later by normal men who i am sure left and added things. My relationship goes hand in hand with what God twlls me in my heart.

        • Debbie Ballard

          your right, everyone is savable but to think that there are mistakes in the word of God because it was written by man makes god very small and incapable of being a God at all. If God cannot control the hand of man so His word is not distorted in any way what kind of a God is He? The God I serve knew me when I was in my mothers womb! Surely such a God can control the hand of men so His word is not distorted! Our problem is we limit God and keep Him in a nice tidy little box that fits our thinking. When will we stop making ourselves greater then our creator??? God help us all. We must either believe everything in His word or nothing. We cannot pick and choose which part we want to believe or we ourselves become our own god and are doomed.

          • Laureen Acton

            Amen Debbie, well said, AMEN!!!!!

          • Brandon Johnston

            Yes True, but Free agency has been given to us. God does not control our actions!

          • Paulita Gilberto

            We have freewill to choose our own way, but not to escape the consequences of our wrong choices.

          • Brandon Johnston

            Yes through Jesus Christ and doing all we can to correct ourselves!

          • TROLSEN

            Because if he did even once or even tried to control our actions or take our agency away, he would cease to be God.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Right on Debbie. Possibly part of the differences betw LDS and Christian believers, and the way they look at scripture lies in these two points.
            1) The Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, so to believe both means that you have to make room / find a way to ignore passages of the latter to adhear to the former.
            2) Mormons believe that they will indeed be gods when they die. Through thier religion, they are earning the right to be Jesus’ spirit brother.

            Counterfeit currency never looks like monopoly money. It looks like the real thing. The same is true of counterfeit Christian religions.

          • TROLSEN

            Contradicts the Bible?
            You are completely wrong and have blinded yourself to the truth.
            I challenge you try reading it and asking yourself as you go through it, if it contradicts the bible instead of believing the words of some other misinformed soul(s).Once you read it completely through, word for word and page after page and you have a completed understanding of it and follow the challenge given it it at the end, with a sincere heart and real intent, let’s see what you think then.
            Enough said at this point.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Hi Trolsen. I have read it, talked with LDS missionaries in my living room, etc. The Mormon scriptures oppose God’s word. Only one can be true.

          • TROLSEN

            There is more than one way to read, One way is with your eyes. The other way is to listen to the words, ponder the meaning and ask God with sincerity and real intent and you will know it is true and once you know the truth you will understand. If you follow the council given you will receive your answer not before.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Trolsen, I will make this simple. Mormon’s aren’t followers of Jesus, they are followers of Joseph Smith’s teachings about Jesus, and JS was deceived. He received a vision from a spirit that God said in his word would never happen. The vision was based on a false premise, and the spirit presented a different Jesus than the bible teaches, and offered a way for followers to become equal with God, gods themselves. These doctrines are opposed to the Bible and the Jesus of the Bible.

            As a LDS follower, I’m sure you’re sincere, and have a spiritual experience in your faith. But your abiding in the same deception, received from a deceiving spirit. I could give you chapter and verse from the book of Mormon on my shelves and the corresponding Bible passages which point out the errors.

            As for praying to a deceptive spirit for new revelation about Jesus Christ, nope, not going to do that. Paul was very clear in Galatians about the future of those who worship a different Jesus.

            Oh, there are two passages in the Bible where people are encouraged to become gods, and seek equality with the One True God through their actions, behavior and choices. Check out Genesis 3 and Isaiah 14.

          • Brandon Johnston

            You make a good anti-morman, I have seen you’re type in a friend in my 20’s and she said the same thing as you, but later fasted and prayed and became a Morman and served a mission it Sweeden and not married in the temple.

          • TROLSEN

            I like the part you say I am abiding in the same deception by a deceiving spirit. Humm.
            By their fruits you shall know them.
            Whether you believe that LDS believe in Jesus Christ (your interpretation) of not the correct Jesus Christ. Compare his teachings to the teachings of the church today. It may not agree with your understanding of who Jesus Christ is, nevertheless there is only one Jesus Christ and that is who is worshiped, taught about, followed and adored.
            The one who took upon himself in the garden the sins of the world, laid down his life on the cross, and took up his body again from the grave on the third day.
            That is my Jesus Christ whom I worship as my Lord and Savior.
            And, I know he will return to earth again some day in all his glory as the God of this earth to rule and rein forever in peace and love and all evil will be gone,
            To me it doesn’t matter how one comes a relationship with him as long as one does have a relationship.
            All this bickering of one’s understanding of the Bible, Book of Mormon, other scriptures which Jesus Christ is the real Jesus Christ and following his teachings that leads one back to God is non productive.
            It is exactly what your “deceiving spirit” (the devil that you think I am following) wants the people to participate in.
            Because by participating in all this contention keeps good people like you and me away from the path that leads back to God.
            God bless you for your stand for the right.
            I wish we could see more eye to eye on the end goal. The is only one path to follow to get there. Following the Savior Jesus Christ.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Yes, but is your Jesus the One, True, Almighty God? Jehovah, The Great I Am?

          • TROLSEN

            Are you brain dead? What did I just say?

          • Debbie Ballard

            very well said! It will be a pleasure to meet you in heaven one day! All that matter is Christ!!!

          • Brandon Johnston

            read it and prayed?

          • Debbie Ballard

            I have read the Book of Mormon. I have also read the book Jehohova,s witness use. also read the Catholics catacism book and the quaran and man others when I was searching for a place to worship.I have many Mormon friends. I believe them to be saved and we will be in heaven one day together! But in saying that, I need NO other book but the bible. It is my instruction book through life. Everything one needs to know about God, Jesus, The Holy Spirit, lays in those pages.

          • TROLSEN

            God bless you for your goodness.

          • Brandon Johnston

            We believe that we can inherit all that God has. He promised this in the Bible.
            Even if the Book Of Morman was fiction, there is not one bad teaching in the record. Show me one? A fiction record speaking clearly of Christ and teaching consistant like the Bible? What we be the motive to create this record? Money has never been made from the publishing of the Book OF Morman, not now or by Joseph Smith,,. He had a third grade education… and its impossible for Satan to create such a record speaking of all Good things about Jesus Christ. A bitter fountain cannot being forth pure water!!

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Hi Brandon: I will make this simple. Mormon’s aren’t followers of Jesus, they are followers of Joseph Smith’s teachings about Jesus, and JS was deceived. 1)He received a vision from a spirit that God said in his word would never happen.
            2) The vision was based on a false premise,

            3) The spirit presented a different Jesus than the bible teaches,

            4) the vision preached a works based salvation, faith in Jesus AND following the LDS beliefs is the way to heaven

            5) and taught a path for followers to become equal with Jesus, gods themselves,

            These LDS doctrines are opposed to the Bible and the Jesus of the Bible at almost every turn, and JS third grade education (something I didn’t know) made him the perfect target to “receive a revelation from God.”

            As a LDS follower, I’m sure you’re sincere, and have a spiritual experience in your faith. But your abiding in the same deception, received from a deceiving spirit. I could give you chapter and verse for all these from the book of Mormon on my shelf and the corresponding Bible passages which point out the errors.

            I’m not bitter, I respect and appreciate the moral and family centered example that Mormon live out, and personally think that the Christian church should follow some of the LDS example of sending out missionaries as young adults as a way to evangelize, and to cement a young adults faith. Yet, in this politically correct world speaking truth is often called hateful, angry, bitter, etc. That’s not my heart.

            As for satan and the record he could create . . . he spoke scriptures to Jesus in an attempt to deceive the Son of God. Effective counterfeits only work when they look like the real thing. regarding point #5 above, there are two passages in the Bible where people are encouraged to become gods, and seek equality with the One True God through their actions, behavior and choices. Check out Genesis 3 and Isaiah 14. This is satan’s crime and temptation to God’s people.

            As the father of lies, who lies as his native language, satan could easily create the elaborate LDS system of belief. His fingerprints are all over it. It’s grounded in everything satan has been about since he was thrown out of heaven for rebelling against the One True God.

          • Brandon Johnston

            thanks for the nicer approach. Just to clarify Mormans are not ever taught to be equal with God. He is always our God and with utmost humility we always approach him through Jesus Christ. If we try to replace God in anyway we are in danger spiritually. Yes we are actionbased faith religion. The Bible James 2-14-26 teaches us that faith alone wont cut. We simply and humbly believe God is our only God period. Now to inherit all that God has only leaves one to speculate what this might be, (the purpose of this passage/promise from our Bible is to allow us to speculate about our mansions and inheritance from God in order to give us incentive to act and better ourselves through Jesus, A little less than a bribery from our God to us hoping we can understand his vision in our own little minds).

          • Debbie Ballard

            We know Gods word says we must believe Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead and is sitting at the right hand of the Father making intercessions for us. Is it enough to just believe? Jesus says if you say you are a believer and don’t do what I ask of you, you are a liar and only deceive yourself. I think most “religions” are so far off the mark of who Christ really is. That goes for ALL of them. LDS, Baptist, assemblies of God, church of Christ, Catholic and on and on and on. Somehow we miss on the GRACE of Jesus and fix ourselves on man made religion. If we believe in our heart Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead and we can really come to the point of TRUE repentance, seeing ourselves as sinful, evil, unworthy of life, ask Jesus to clean us and to take control of our lives and live for Him, I don’t care what “religion” anyone claims to be, You are saved!!! That is the simple work of Grace that Jesus has given to us.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Your Jesus isn’t the Jesus of the bible, who is completely God and completely man. Your Jesus is a created being, a spirit brother of the devil, and an example of what all faithful mormons can attain. This isn’t Christianity,

          • Brandon Johnston

            why are you so hung up on who Satans brother is? We already know he was the son of the morning star and Lucifer is fallen from heaven ISAIAH 14:12.So if fallen from heaven that makes him a son of God right?? Then what is he to Jesus, it always amazes me the things that people grasp on to while justifying rejecting the Book OF Morman and thinking there is just one record of Jesus. The Bible is from Judah and in Ezecial 3712-20 it talks about another record to come being ephriam with Judah as a further testament of Jesus Christ…Also there are 10 lost tribes of Israel here scattered and hidden on the earth according to the bible and I guess we think they don’t write their own reocrds about Jesus?? Those people will be discovered before the second coming…

          • chamuiel

            No, Lucifer was a fallen angel. Not a son of God.

          • Brandon Johnston

            He is a male!

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Like I said Brandon, the things you believe aren’t biblical, or Christianity. You are following a different Jesus, a different path to salvation, and the bible, that you say you believe, says that the path your on doesn’t lead to heaven. Why is it important? Because Satan lies in order to keep people from a real relationship with the Real God.

            The bible says Jesus is the Almighty God, eternal (not created or a child), in the flesh.
            The bible says salvation is by faith alone in the one true God Jesus who took the punishment for your and my sins.
            The bible says that good works are the fruit that grows from a born again person’s life.

            If you get these things wrong, the rest doesn’t matter.

          • Brandon Johnston

            so now Instead of believing Jesus appeared, we are believing a deceiving angel appeared. Well we are making progress at least we believe some other power appeared and certainly we can agree that for reasons unknown the they targeted a farm boy Joseph Smith who unlike was practicing on weegee boards or watching porn that day like so many people are now(which we both can agree that this would leave an individual more prone to evil spirits). Its funny that usally one with deception leads to murder, or greed or cheating like we see so common today, but in the early 1800’s one was deceived by an evil Spirit to talk about Jesus Christ and another testament. and to follow the Bible love you family stay married, don’t lie, don’t kill etc????????????????

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            The best counterfeit is one that looks like the real thing, not one that tells followers to murder, cheat, etc.

          • Brandon Johnston

            even if were not true the teachings make for a better life and teach to be like Jesus and that you can be with you’re family unit eternally… What is the threat in believing this concept.. God is love and we find God through love and relly we learn about love through families etc.Who wouldn’t want to protect their interest with their loved ones… ?? Also the best way Satan attacks our happiness is through the destruction of the family unit..

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            What’s the harm? Good works don’t pave the road to heaven, and if you are wrong about Jesus, it’s enough to be wrong for eternity. Would you want to work so hard, and then be turned away from heaven’s gate when Jesus says “Depart, I never knew you.” ?

          • Brandon Johnston

            What is it that we have to do for heaven? Try and follow Jesus, marry and stay loyal, live the commandments. Love you neighbor etc. What is the harm traveling this road I am on?

          • chamuiel

            ole joe may not have been watching porn, but he darn sure believed in having more than one wife which is about the same thing.

          • chamuiel

            So, God picked a man with a third grade education to send an angel to?

            I still think ole joe was stoned.

          • Brandon Johnston

            yes because in God’s wisdom, it would always be questioned more if a learned man translated it!

          • Downtooearth

            Wrong! God gave man choices-he isn’t about to control the hand of men! God gave Moses the Ten Commandments-man wrote the Bible. I live by the Ten Commandments and believe everyone is savable. No one sin is worse than another! God will judge.

          • Brandon Johnston

            We will all be judged and yes the ten commandments is good.. But the fullness is better…In fact much is held back from Us From God because we are not ready.

        • Brandon Johnston

          you are very right here, Handwritten later… The Book of Morman addresses this very issue by restoring those precios truths left out or truths twisted a bit…The Bible is great under the umbrella of the Book OF Morman.. Read it and pray!

        • Shelah Wik

          Actually Susan,the reason many turn from Christianity,is they don’t like the words Jesus stated himself,”Neither do I condemn thee,Go and sin no more.” And to state that because The Bible was written by man,makes it subject to imperfections,says that you are limiting God’s power.My God is perfect and makes no mistakes.

          • Brandon Johnston

            in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. 2 Cor.13.1

        • Marilyn

          Indeed, Susan, they may turn. Many will turn from the Truth, the Life, and the Way. But in the end, every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! So I ask you – what exactly is blasphemy? “According to Mormonism, there is a vast number of
          planets throughout the universe ruled by countless gods who were once
          humans. A long time ago, on one of these planets, Elohim was born as a
          spirit child to an unidentified god and one of his goddess wives.
          Elohim was later born to human parents who gave him a physical body.
          Through obedience to Mormon teachings, death, and resurrection, Elohim
          proved himself worthy and was elevated to godhood. Elohim is the
          Mormon’s heavenly father and he lives with his many wives on a planet
          near the (mysterious) star Kolob. There, the Mormon god had endless
          celestial sex with his many wives, producing billions of spirit
          children.” Hmmmmmm?

          • Susan A Davis

            You know just like the way you believe the meaning of the Bible i am sure others believe other ways. I in no way said or even implied God was wrong. Man makes many mistakes and when the Bible was Translated by men you do not know exactly what was put in or left out. So you have to trust in God and your Heart and Relationship with God to decide what is right and wrong and what is good and bad. Yes Jesus said to turn from sin. He also said Love your neighbor as your self can you in good and honest faith say you do both of those. I do believe the Mormons have turned from the many wives and chosen to have 1. I do not believe homosexualality is orientation , I believe it is sin and not what God intended. I also believe the enviroment chemicals and the lack od father figures have contributed to this behaivor. I also believe TV and our PC Govt. is pushing it down our throats. But i will hate the SIN and Love AND PRAY FOR THE SINNER.

          • Marilyn

            Dear Susan, here is what the Bible says about the heart: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9 I would encourage you to trust the Bible, and the King James Version at that, more than you trust your heart, Susan. Trust God. Trust the Bible. The Bible is His Word, His letter to us here to help us to understand how to live for God. Your heart will deceive you. We are not go by feelings, Susan. We are to go by the Word of God. I hear your distrust of the many translations that there are. Your point is taken. However, I take in the making of that point that you – and correct me if I’m wrong – have dismissed your reading and study of God’s Word in the first place. But…..we are not to dismiss the Bible as the written source for us to learn how to live for God in that there may be a man-made goof here or there. “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth,” The WORD of truth! That’s what we are to do, Susan. Study. Now let’s talk about the WORD for a moment. Picking a good Bible – that’s very very important. A word-for-word translation is best. The King James Version, the English Standard Version (ESV), and New American Standard Bible (NASB) are all excellent word-for-word translations. Avoid “dynamic thought” translations (e.g. the New International Version-NIV for example). Avoid like the plague paraphrases, like The Message, or the latest, The Voice. But STUDY. Apply oneself even to learn how these translations came to be. You will be astounded at the labor that ensued by so many to make sure that what you are reading in your language, English, is as close to the original Greek and Hebrew as is possible. It that is not enough, study the scholars who have dissected the Greek and Hebrew and written books to help you. And if that doesn’t satisfy, study Greek and Hebrew for yourself. If “..we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them,” then it is incumbent upon us to fulfill what He has asked of us in order to show ourselves approved. Amen?

          • TROLSEN

            Do you have a better description of how God and his Billions of spirit children came to be? I doubt it because you have a mind and understanding smaller that a grain of sand.

          • Marilyn

            I’m good with that, Trolsen. I’m not God, nor do I pretend that I ever will be.

          • TROLSEN

            No one is pretending.

          • Knybee

            “…you have a mind and understanding smaller that a grain of sand.” Wow I feel your love. Another reasoned argument from a hypocrite.

          • TROLSEN

            Not being a hypocrite.
            In the large picture and the total understanding of God she does, I do and you also do have a a mind and understanding smaller than a grain of sand compared to him.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Interesting, when ever the conversation comes around to truth, and addressing specifics of the LDS faith, Mormons get agitated and adversarial. We talk truth and facts, and you slander. That should tell you something.

            Anyways to your question, You and I are made in the image and likeness of God. God made us personally out of the dust, and gave us the ability / command to reproduce. God gives each person a unique spirit when we conceive children, so that each person is “created in his likeness.” This is how God created spirit children, through his children because he gave us that power and command. I guess my faith comes from the bible and my “grain of sand size” brain.

          • TROLSEN

            I like some of your reasoning. Some of your points are spot on and some are not completely true and I expect you think the same about some of mine.
            I hope you are blessed because of your conviction to take a stand for good.

          • Brandon Johnston

            you make is a mockery with this statement.. But the fact is there are billions or spirits and other earth planets being discovered by NASA… So that all sits there for a pretty picture to us??????? I have yet to hear a better explanation of all this than the Morman teachings… In fact no other religion even tries to explain.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Why do we need an explanation? The bible says that the heavens declare the glory of God. If there are other intelligent beings out there, NASA or not, we will find out in heaven.

          • Brandon Johnston

            To understand better what heaven is… How can we want to go to heaven when we don’t have the slightest clue what it is?? How can we be excited?? Most people when you ask what heaven is they say we float on a cloud with a harp singing to God…

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Brandon, salvation isn’t about understanding what heaven is. Salvation comes from understanding that God gave his life to pay the punishment for your and my sins, the perfect for the imperfect. Mormons are still busy earning their way to heaven, thinking they can be good enough. Really? How can I be good enough to earn salvation bought for me with the price of Jesus blood? He freely laid down his life for me. My only response is to freely lay down my life for him, and receive forgiveness and eternal life that starts now. Anything else is a hoax, a well designed hoax given to a teenager who didn’t know any better by a deceptive spirit who want’s to keep you and I from God.

          • Brandon Johnston

            yes we believe that Jesus freely gave of his life for us….Only to those that believe on his name and follow him..To know him is to be like him and God promises to give al he has to those that follow Jesus Christ.. Salvation only come through Jesus Christ, no other way.

          • Northpaw

            Amen brother.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Brandon, you’re so close, you just have the wrong Jesus.

          • Brandon Johnston

            I never knew there was two…. I speak of the one and only Jesus Christ that was raised on the cross and shed equal blood for you and I brother!

          • Brandon Johnston

            there is always a motive for actions. What was the motive for Joseph Smith…

          • Brandon Johnston

            but it inspires only good things.

        • chamuiel

          twlls me in my heart?

          say what?

      • TROLSEN

        What an Ignorant FOOL.

        • chamuiel

          oh goody trolsen is doing some more infantile name calling Did the Mormon church teach you that, also?

    • robert

      Yes…this is an accurate assessment of the LDS members position that I know of…they’ve bought into the lie that the sin of homosexuality is just an “orientation” instead of sinful.

      Does the LDS church welcome Pedophiles also?

      Pedophiles are using the same arguments to mainstream their “orientation” that homosexuals used to mainstream theirs not that long ago…

      • Lorrie Reynolds Peterson

        They welcome everyone who needs healing through Christs atonement in their life. Thief, harlot, and yes, even the most vile sinner. God’s grace is sufficient for all. Hate the sin, love the sinner.. Sorry if you don’t understand.that. .

        • marahnatha

          But repentance is necessary. Like Jesus said, Go and sin no more. There’s a big difference between slipping up and diving in.

          • Brandon Johnston

            yes, in fact in Mathew we are commanded to be perfect by Jesus and through Jesus.

        • Brandon Johnston

          Very true, so long as this viewpoint does not allow us to justify sin, thinking dangerously that we can do what we want and in the end we will be saved.

          • Downtooearth

            Every person who has divorced and remarried has committed adultry! Hmmmm that takes out half the US! Same with lying! Do not bear false witness-every told a lie?

          • MARYANN33

            Quit fighting on the devil’s side. He uses scripture to condemn the righteous ones

          • TROLSEN

            I think I read one of your posts earlier.

        • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

          Amen, too often we forget that Jesus welcomed sinners, then called them to change by the power of his Spirit, and the Word of God.

          It’s hard for us to wrap our heads around. Yet God is both merciful and righteous at the same time.

      • Brandon Johnston

        its is sinful in the Morman Church with no exeption!

      • TROLSEN

        You can read the church’s position on these issues by going to lds.org. any other position that they do not state is NOT their position.

    • louisk

      I understand and totally respect your anger and frustration. by way of Victoria’s statement, and yours, Glenn does , as a famous broadcaster give the appearance of being representative of the LDS followers. Tragic but there is a battle ahead for you. I am very very very angry at Glenn Beck coming out that way. we do not need to parse out our conservative standards in order to recruit a few queers. As a conservative Christian I am sympathetic , very sympathetic to your position.

  • ForMotionCreatv

    Glenn Beck and Rove’s buddy, Ralph Reed here (Google ‘Karl Rove, Ralph Reed, Grover Norquist’ then throw in ‘Jack Abramhoff’ too and ‘data base’): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GPm3wp3T8&feature=share&list=PLC44594A2B461A76A&index=4

  • ForMotionCreatv

    Why not, with such a great Prime Time opportunity on FoxNews, did not Mr. Connect-the-Dots-Beck expose the Soros, Marriott, Rupert Murdoch “Parntership for a New American Economy”? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/27/Corporate-executives-join-Soros-front-group-Bloomberg-Zuckerberg-others-to-pay-for-fly-in-to-push-amnesty?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_source=N
    But then if Rupert is the ‘moderate’ then….hmmm

  • ForMotionCreatv

    Comments here, I’m sure well-meaning, yet naive, claim that LDS doesn’t lump people together. I recommend it’s time to question authority, because one thing we know for sure, money and power corrupts. ‘Mitt Romney Rejoins Marriott International Board’ http://news.marriott.com/2012/12/mitt-romney-rejoins-marriott-international-board.html

    I’m an evangelical Christian, and I take on Ralph Reed because I don’t trust him; there’s a lot of money being made on campaign consulting, advising and they make about 15% off the media and direct mail that they buy for campaigns. The data base that they have, with YOUR info, is worth a bundle.

    Everyone needs to take a look at the people who are controlling the message.

    • Paulita Gilberto

      Yeah, Governor McDonnell of Virginia was just indicted for taking vacations and gifts from a supporter after all his talk about being a Christian. What happened to the Untouchables? The people with integrity and honor? I don’t know if Mormons live better lives than Christians, but I know their image looks a lot better. Is our kingdom here or there? We need to stop being torn between two worlds.

  • Stuart R. Taylor

    Some of these comments convince me that religious bigotry is alive and well in America. Thanks for stoking the fires of bigotry and hate. It makes me think that some are hell-bent on not being mistaken for being fair-minded, charitable, and compassion. Those pseudo-Christian bigots who trash another’s religion and distort the truth are bottom-feeding hypocrites and deny the very Christ they profess to worship.

    • ForMotionCreatv

      It’s not about compassion; it’s about politicians exploiting groups for political gain. The gay agenda is just another community organizing campaign for Obama and Hillary. They could care less about ‘marriage’ or ‘human rights.’ Beck has become one of their useful idiots. He’ll go the way of Chris Christie now.

      • Wal22nut

        Rather than react to a headline, why not listen to what he’s actually saying in the clip? He’s saying homosexuality shouldn’t be illegal and that government doesn’t belong in ANY marriages. I’m opposed to gay marriage in the current system (so is he if you listen to other clips), but in an ideal situation marriage is the domain of the churches and shouldn’t have anything to do with governments.

    • summerelizabethball

      MORMONISM IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. NEITHER IS ANY OTHER RELIGION. CHRISTIANITY IS SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST ALONE. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. CHRISTIANS ARE COMMISSIONED TO SPEAK THE TRUTH AND DEFEND THEIR FAITH. THAT DOES NOT EQUAL HATE. CHRIST/GOD WILL NOT GIVE HOMOSEXUALS A PASS, SO HIS SERVANTS SHOULDN’T EITHER. TO STAND BY AND LET THEM BE DECEIVED AND CONTINUE IN A LIFESTYLE THAT GUARANTEES ETERNAL DAMNATION IS HATEFUL TO WARN THEM AND TELL THEM THAT THEY CAN RECEIVE FORGIVENESS THROUGH CHRIST IS LOVE.

      • Laureen Acton

        Does a Mormon believe that you must ask Jesus into your heart, cleanse you of all sin and to become born again? If not, then they are not true “Born again Christians” That is what the Bible says. We are NOT to go by mans’ doctrine by live by the living, breathing, word of God; The Bible!!!

        • Brandon Johnston

          yes the very foundation is Jesus Christ and he is the only way and gate to enter in by…GO 49ers!!

        • NoCrud

          The “whosoever” verses you cite were written to the Christians in Rome for a specific reason and most people do not read the whole book to understand that. That passage in Romans 10 is a reverse progression so the next verse, which comes BEFORE in Time, must also be read.

          The best verse to spell out what God/Jesus wanted and expected is John 6:40 and is much more direct and simple to understand. Romans was written to show that God’s salvation was a “whosoever” salvation that applied the the Jew and to the Gentil (Non-Jew). But many make it into a Romans Road to Salvation without understanding that it was a quotation of Joel 2-38-32 and was showing another tense in salvation: The present tense to be kept safe/saved from tribulation here on earth and the “calling” was Prayer. But “God does not hear sinners” and people are considered Sinners until they are saved by Seeing Jesus and Believing in Him. (John 6:40)

  • ForMotionCreatv

    People in the Ukraine do not want obscene American gay parades in their communities, yet OUR U.S. Embassy pushes/promotes this: http://rt.com/news/kiev-gay-parade-protesters-804/ Now it appears Glenn Beck stands with Obama’s global socialist gay parade community organizers.

    • Paulita Gilberto

      Yes and Christians in Africa have been cut off by the Episcopal Church because they refuse to accept openly homosexual Priests and Bishops. Why is homosexuality such an untouchable shrine? How did the rest of us manage not to commit suicide without having “affirmation” because of who we are? And I think if I was homosexual & a people in abject poverty were cut off and starving to death because of me, I would speak out. They are just like Muslims, sit back and let everybody else do their dirty work without them saying a word.

  • Mike Croft

    Sister we are in the world but not of the world. Deep down, we are resented by the lost, of all persuasion.

  • Cindy Nichols

    Wow I dont know why this surprised me but wow stand your ground lady my bible says no no no

    • Wal22nut

      Does that mean we should make every anti-biblical behavior illegal? There is a difference between knowing something is wrong, not practicing it yourself, and telling others it’s wrong…and then making it illegal.

  • summerelizabethball

    Victoria, mormonism is a cult. It is not Christianity. Glenn Beck is wrong, if he is defending the homosexual lifestyle. He is not a Christian. There are a LOT of people in the world labeling themselves a Christian, who do not even know what that word means. Homosexuality is a sin, and those who live a homosexual lifestyle will be judged. Unless they confess and receive Christ, they’re destined for eternal torment. Christians are not anti-gay. We are called to love the lost, but out of that love comes the call to warn those who are in danger of missing out on eternal life with God. There are a LOT of false teaching infiltrating the contemporary Christian church. Compare everything to the Word and ask God for His wisdom, understanding, and discernment. Anyone who says that mormonism is the same as Christianity is mistaken. They are either not a Christian or ignorant of the Word.

    • Bob Cooper

      Spot on!

    • Brandon Johnston

      I am a Morman and I am a Christian and you or no one else will take this from me including our God!

    • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

      Amen

    • Stuart R. Taylor

      You go girl! As self-appointed judge of others’ faith, keep the hate and bigotry alive!!

  • summerelizabethball

    THIS ISN’T ABOUT POLITICS. IF GLENN BECK IS CALLING HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN, WHILE ENCOURAGING THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE, THEN CHRISTIAN’S NEED TO CALL HIM ON IT.

  • lcuvillier

    The Mormons don’t believe in a biblical marriage either. If they denounce homosexual marriage, then they must denounce polygamy.

    • Paulita Gilberto

      The Mormon Church denounced polygamy for Utah to become a State of the Union. Polygamy sects are renegade Mormons like the Westboro “Baptists” are renegade “Baptists.” Whether or not they wish to reinstitute polygamy is another question. Only time will tell.

      • Laureen Acton

        Here’s the problem I have with that. They did it only to gain something. There was no conversion of the heart, no honest change of belief. God knows what is in the heart, in every single corner and crevice. Oh, and believe me God knows what is in the heart of the “Westboro Baptists” !!!!

      • Brandon Johnston

        again the Bible practiced Polygamy but later denounced.

        • Paulita Gilberto

          I was replying to Icuvillie wo said the must dnounce polygamy. They already did that. But again, God never meant for anything but monogamy but because of the hardness of their hearts he looked the other way.

          • Brandon Johnston

            God cannot look upon sin in the least degree of allowance. He allowed his prophets at the time practice. They had many wives and yet were still inspired leaders actually writing in the Bible? Perhaps they weren’t inspired then??? Again a further need to clarify the Bible??

        • NoCrud

          The Bible did not address polygamy. Societal Law is where it is found. And the Bible says to “obey the law of the land.”

    • Brandon Johnston

      both are denounced, homosexual always.

  • robert

    Having been LDS and knowing LDS members over the years…only one thing is certain…getting straight info out of them about what they do and do not believe is like nailing jello to a wall….pretty close to impossible.

    You can be sure that they will do or say whatever keeps their bottom line healthy though…

    • Brandon Johnston

      one thing in getting information from God another from people/man… I am a Morman and look throughout this entire blog and I am giving information about Mormans.

    • TROLSEN

      I’m really sorry for your internal struggle

  • Lippits

    Conservative gay is an oxymoron, and Glenn Beck hasn’t been relevant since he refused to talk about Obama’s eligibility. That goes for Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Bill O’Blather…

    • NoCrud

      Not about the “Conservative Gay” element but the rest of your comment is right on the mark.

      Also, I prefer to call him Bill O’Rudely. I never listened to him long enough to know if he “blathers.”

  • Bob Cooper

    It’s a Libertarian thing Vickie. I’d love to hear his explanation to Raphe on how Gay sex works. Perhaps he is more in line with Pope Francis on this issue than Protestants and Evangelicals are.

  • oldag22

    Never been crazy about Beck anyway.

  • marahnatha

    A lot of so called Conservatives, even ones that call themselves Christian are sexual liberals. They send a Bible verse on Facebook and then an obscenity laced post or a half-naked woman. If we’re going to come back from the brink Obama has put us in, we better get serious about turning from or wicked ways. Jesus is the only real hope we have.

  • Douglas Morris

    if we don’t begin accepting Reagans 80% rule, we’re going to lose completely. Wake up folks, let GOD punish the sinners and lets move forward with what we’ve got. Conservatism is a political, not MORAL judgmental movement, WHILE I do not agree with what appears to be a forced acceptance of homosexuality, I don’t know any conservative gays who do either and think the MINORITY that is loud and proud are shameful…let it go folks {Judge not least you be judged}…The LEFT aka Evil Incarnate is
    pulling in every walk of life possible to vote for the Commu err Democratic party…we can’t afford to be picky. WE WILL LOSE THE WAR by gaining a few battles..

    • NoCrud

      Judge not that ye be not judged…

      “Judge” means “to mete out punishment” in the traditional sense, NOT to decide that something is not right.

      When a jury finds someone guilty, the Judge says, “We will meet at 10 o’clock next Monday when I will give my judgment.” This is just an example, of course, but it shows that the Judgment is where punishment is decided and meted out and not to decide that something/someone is right or wrong. Why does the verse tell us not to judge? It means that when someone is accused of something and suffers the penalty of it — and then found innocent later — the penalty has been given by the “judgment” put on him. Also, it means that God alone is the perfect judge and knows the precise “judgment” or penalty for sin. Judges act for God in this as being part of the “law of the land.”

      Want another example of what the verse means? When someone’s reputation is ruined by an ugly rumor that later proves to be untrue.

  • Sean Harshey

    Hang in there, Victoria. I enjoy your take on the world. You’re a straight-shooter. Stay strong. :)

  • JRu4Life

    The founder of the Catholic Church 2,000 years ago is Jesus Christ. The Mormon church was founded by Joseph Smith in 1830. I’ll stick with the original, one, true, universal church, thank you.

    • Brandon Johnston

      This is very true, but in that Church Jesus ordained Apostles and a Prophet. The had the proper keys of Authority through Jesus Christ. The were killed off one by one as Jesus was.. we then entered into the know dark ages for centuries. Where is this church? Obviosly it would need to contain Apostles and Prophets since the Bible teaches in Amos 3-7 that Church with the same infostructure as when Jesus was here…YOure right what Jesus set up was a perfect Structure and who is man to change this?????1000 true religions from the Bible….

      • Brandon Johnston

        amos 3-7 Teaches God does nothing until he reveals his plan to his prophet… Where is our current Prophet????

        • NoCrud

          Mornomism is a Cult. A Christian believes that Jesus was the literal son of God and Mormons do not believe that Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God because Mormons also believe that Lucifer was/is the brother to Jesus. Yep… And in the preamble of early books of Mormon said that we all can perfect ourselves and become like Jesus. After they had to answer to this so many times, they deleted it from the preamble.

          Want to read many, many sites that spell this out? Just do a search on “Is Mormonism Christian” and the proof is there. There are Catholics sites (Catholics are Christian because they believe Jesus was/is the Son of God) and many other sites that spell this all out. One good book to read about this is The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin:

          http://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Cults-Walter-Martin/dp/0764228218/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390427521&sr=1-1&keywords=kingdom+of+the+cults

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            NoCrud is full of crud.

          • Brandon Johnston

            The Mormans do believe that Jesus is the literal son of God. He is the only begotten son of God. This is the problem when you don’t go direct to the source to find out what we believe. We practice from the Bible and even in the Book Of Morman it speaks clearly that Jesus is the on of God. I am sorry you have misconseptions about the Mormans and what they believe.
            Also where do you think the devil cam from???? We know God is he beginning and the end??

      • JRu4Life

        Jesus ordained the Apostles as Priests, and all Catholic priests today can trace their own ordinations directly back to Christ Himself. There is one, true church. “1000 true religions from the Bible…” What does that even mean?

        • Brandon Johnston

          He ordained them as apostles and Prophet. Also when the apostles we killed how did they have a chance by the laying on of hands to re-ordain new apostles. Where can this be traced????
          1000 true religions is my new book coming out, meaning there are 1000 different religions derived from the Bible, each claiming they are the one true church.

    • Laureen Acton

      It was not Jesus, it was the Emperor Constantine who founded the Catholic church and he was a true follower of Jesus Christ. According to Jesus “The Church” is the body of Christ, all of his born again followers. Jesus was absolutely AGAINST any and all man made indoctrination, against all man made religions. We are to follow the Bible, the true words of God, nothing more and nothing less.

      • NoCrud

        “Church” has four meanings in English if you include the Biblical meanings. Many verses meant “congregation” but where “Church” was used in the New Testament, many times it referred to a local church, not a “universal” church. Proof of this is right there in the preambles of some of the New Testament books where it says, “To the church at….” and spells out the name of the local church at a particular locality.

        Therefore, the word Church has to be read in context and not just grabbing a 7th Grade dictionary for the definition. In fact, a good Collegiate Dictionary has the word (bib.) in Italics after a definition to show what it meant in the English of the times of the King James Translation because English, as a “living language,” has change some word meanings since then. For example, where the Bible says that God can “tell your bones,” some “scholars” say it means that God has them named. But “Tell” at the time of the KJV translation meant “Count” and this is why we still have bank Tellers at their Counters.

      • JRu4Life

        Catholicism is the original, Bible-based church. And, yes, it was founded by Jesus Christ, not Constantine. He may have promulgated the Church, but he didn’t start it. Where do you guys get this misinformation?

    • Brandon Johnston

      So the structure to be literial should contain 12 apostles

    • Paulita Gilberto

      If you mean Catholic, (Unversal,) I agree. The Church that met in the Upper Room & started it all weren’t Roman Catholics! As for 12 Apostles, (Church starters) there are far more than 12 & the Great Commission is given to the whole Church, not just the Disciples of whom there were far more than twelve. John the Baptist’s disciples follwed Jesus as well.

  • Julie Ringer

    VICTORIA! Don’t back down! Don’t worry about what “they” say! Keep standing up!

  • ForMotionCreatv

    The Left won’t be happy until churches are forced to conduct gay marriages because this is all for their ‘human rights’ community organizing agenda. Is Glenn trying to change the convo away from Obamacare? Maybe he’s really working for the Rove – Ralph Reed – Bush anti-TEA Party gang. I’ve thought that since the 2012 Primary.

  • MLR

    Stay strong on what you and others KNOW to be RIGHT AND TRUE!! GO VIC!

  • Dan Heizinger
  • Wal22nut

    oh my goodness, you are SO wrong about your interpretation of this clip. He’s saying the govt ‘has not business in marriage’, meaning any marriage. We need to get past trying to make everyone OUR personal version of Conservative! He’s promoting a Libertarian view that says, ‘you want to get married, fine. Just don’t try to foist that view on me and my family.’ Personally, I don’t think people should practice homosexuality, it’s a sin. But it would be wrong to create a Theocracy that makes dissenting views illegal!

  • fights

    Glenn is a Mormon. Mormons believe everybody goes to heaven so even if you reject Christ as your Savior, you still go to have eternal life with him. (BTW, Glenn says Jesus is his Savior, but Mormons don’t believe in the divinity of Christ. Uhmmm, Glenn, that’s essential to being a Christian). It’s much easier to believe gay marriage is ok, if you don’t see them as lost.

    • Stuart R. Taylor

      wrong, wrong, wrong

      • fights

        Then what, Stuart?

        • Stuart R. Taylor

          I’ve got no time for morons like you who lie and distort.

          • fights

            So no answer. Right? Nothing but to name-call which tells me I hit a nerve. Ok, your classless non-answer tells me everything.

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Listen “fights” – You have hit no nerve with me. I’ve read a lot of your lies and ridiculous comments, and they don’t even dignify responses. I just have no time to waste on liars who are intellectully dishonest. Your classless comments qualify you as a hateful and bigotted moron – and tells me everything. Now go pound sand – and go waste someone else’s time.

          • fights

            Keep it up, Stuart, and you may get to be “god” of your own planet.

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Poor, poor “fights” . . . . . What the heck does your intended slam have to do with anything? In addition to a moron, you have now qualified as a putz. Your lack of intelligence and logic are now in full view. Why would you assume that your idiotic statement would mean anything to me? Perhaps you assume I am Mormon just because I oppose bashing Mormonism AND ANY OTHER RELIGION. Wow, dude (or dudette?) – that was an EPIC FAIL by you!!! But keep it up – you are doing a great job as a moron and a putz. And if you do keep it up, you can add more ways to describe your lack of intelligence, and bigotry.

          • fights

            Lighten up, friend. Learn to roll with the conversation. If you are Mormon, you’ll have to deal with the opposition since Jospeh Smith was just a “dude” who made up stuff, unlike Jesus who is God in the flesh. If not, why so defensive against a false religion you aren’t part of?

          • Stuart R. Taylor

            Lighten up “fights” – I DEFEND FAIRNESS and will fight for the privilege of others to be treated fairly. If you are so against making stuff up – as you say – then why don’t YOU stop making stuff up about another religion? And I love how you assumed I was Mormon – just making stuff up as you go, aren’t you? That’s what bottom-feeders and malcontents do. And why are YOU so defensive about someone who made stuff up – as you claim? If he made stuff up, then why are you getting your shorts in a wad? Why do you care? Why don’t YOU lighten up and stop trashing what other people believe? I have consistently said the same thing when other religions – Catholics or whoever – get trashed. This whole thing has gotten warped out of control because Glenn Beck’s religion has got NOTHING whatsoever to do with it!!! You and your lying ilk just look for any opportunity to trash another religion – in this case, Mormonism – because it doesn’t walk and talk like your own. This is a perfect example of bigotry and hatred. It is a masquerade full of pseudo-intellectual and pseudo-spiritual holier-than-thou Christian frauds who think they can trash other people and their religion as long as they quote a scripture here and there, and throw in a clever little bigoted dig against another religion. It’s pathetic. Defensive? Yes!! – for fairness and Christ-like compassion. I see none of that from so-called Christians in these comments, yours included. So, if being Christian to you means you have a license to trash other people and what they believe, then the whole lot of you so-called Christians who believe that are a bunch of pathetic and blind followers in some kind of sorry brain-warping crazy-ass cult.

          • Guest

            Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

          • fights

            Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

            Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book

  • Ben

    Beck now, before you know it you will have few anti-gay allies left. Your political position is losing its credibility by the day.

  • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

    Yes Victoria, the LDS are not conservative Christians as you and I understand the term. They have great family relationships. They focus on conservative, Christian-based values. They share many of the social values that are cornerstone to fundamental, conservative Christianity. I love Glenn, and the work he’s done on US history, the values that our founding fathers held, and his Faith, Hope and Charity events over the past few years. He is right that America’s future is dependent on a passionate return to Godly values, something you and I would call revival. However, because their faith is based in an alternate set of scriptures, which deviate from and contradict the bible, LDS do not hold all the same priorities and Christians.

    To be fair, withing Christendom, we don’t all agree on issues like homosexuality, abortion, social spending, govt intrusion into our lives, etc, So I’m not attacking Glenn. I am saying that only Christians who recognize that Jesus came to forgive sin and transform us into his image, will stand shoulder to shoulder in what has become controversial and cultural-opposing space as did Jesus, the early church and born again Christians today.

    There is no peace between the world and the Church. Glenn has tasted it, because he’s dared poke the box and challenge the political powers and cultural status quo. That doesn’t make him a Christian, just a brave, compassionate and creative journalist. We should stop pretending and believing that if we, Christians, just do things the right way that the world will love us again. Our leader was a homeless guy that was murdered for loving others more than he loved himself.

    • Lady Patriot

      Very well said.

  • ME

    I don’t understand how he is pro-gay by what was said in the video. The gov’t has no business in marriage because they did not institute it. They can in no way define it as the can define a color.
    The bottom line is that WE DO NOT SEE THE EMPEROR’S NEW CLOTHES, the Johnny come lately, all inclusive morality. What else can they redefine? Fecal matter as a food group? That is the moral equivalent…

  • ERB

    Unless you are reading the original Hebrew text, then you have no idea if you are receiving the truth.
    God is perfect, and because he is he allows man to make his mistakes, and that includes re-writing Gods words, and miss interpreting, leading his children astray. And for this he shall pay.

  • oldpaths

    Almost all cults have their own “book” to go along with the bible.the Word of God needs no help.

  • Dana James

    I just wish Christians were as vocal about deadbeat parents as they are about homosexuality. It would be nice to see some Christians take a vocal and sustained stand for all the children that are suffering because one of their parents doesn’t provide financial support. Why aren’t Christians campaigning for stricter laws against deadbeat parents? I wonder how many adults in today’s modern churches have children that they have “left behind” so they could start anew? I think homosexuality is wrong, wrong, wrong, but I bet more children suffer because they have to live in financial distress.
    1 Timothy 5:8:
    But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

  • Lady Patriot

    Victoria, you are so right. Stand strong in your convictions. Glenn Beck has surprised and saddened me at times because of statements he has made about the Bible and Christianity. Only last year did I become aware that he is Mormon. Now it all makes sense.

    The Bible should be one’s ONLY religion. Proud to be a Bible Thumper…Lady Patriot.

    • NoCrud

      How can I follow you if your profile is Private? {;-<

      By the way, this and your other comments are notably good.

      • Lady Patriot

        Well, thank you, and likewise.

  • Marilyn

    Good on ya, Victoria. (V for Victory) I understand the latest “Bachelor” got in a world of hurt when he expounded some of the very same things you speak of here – as a father of a dear little girl, Camilla – he stood his ground when it comes to his opinion regarding having overt homosexual themes portrayed on television where the minds of the children can be so easily swayed and molded. We know who the purveyor is of such and it is the job of parents, obviously NOT the village, to control that dial.

  • louisk

    Victoria, you and I and many many more are well aware that life for Christians, committed to following and believing the Holy Bible are doomed to hardship , castigation , harassment and threats in the future. I have to paraphrase but in the Bible it says when evil is made to be good and good is made to be evil God will turn away . that my friend is already obvious.

    • NoCrud

      “…when evil is made to be good and good is made to be evil…” describes a Liberal.

      • louisk

        We are on the same page.

  • Henry Hawk

    GOD says homosexuality is wrong. Glen Beck is wrong. Glen Beck is the false profiteer
    GOD will not be mocked!

    Lev. 18:22
    ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.” (NASB)
    “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” (ESV, NKJV)

  • Kim Hansgen Granger

    What Glenn said was NOTHING like what you are purporting. The context was he isn’t the kind of Christian to want to burn gay people at the stake. Not that he agrees with it, he is doing what Christ would do… LOVE THE SINNER, not the sin. Get the plank out of your own eye. Being gay isn’t the unforgivable sin. Sin is sin… And you turning on a man I have heard confess the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as his beliefs… Is a sin. Lets not Infight amongst one another. But love one another , as Christ loved the Church… Which is WHAT WE AS CHRISTIANS ARE.

    • Northpaw

      Exactly. Watch the video yourself dear readers and you will see Kim is right, Glenn isn’t saying what Victoria, bless her heart, thinks he is saying at all. Good post Kim and God bless you.

      • Kim Hansgen Granger

        Thanks. The sinning on this board is abhorant to God. Turning on one another… SIN

      • Kim Hansgen Granger

        Thanks! I think I’m in the minority here. Which is funny because most people here are saying they are Christians. And I’m not seeing that LOVE THY NEIGHBOR thing here…

  • AJ Steele

    Recognize that the Catholic Church has the authority to properly interpret the bible. There are several thousand Protestant denominations, and most disagree with each other on biblical issues.

  • ForMotionCreatv

    The real death toll regarding homosexual lifestyle; could be why foreign countries oppose U.S. State Department mandated gay parades: http://aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/statistics/

    • NoCrud

      Thanks much for the interesting website.Bookmarked.

  • ForMotionCreatv

    What’s so wrong with the HIV/AIDS epidemic, millions of orphans; why wouldn’t every country want to promote gay parades in their public square?

    http://www.avert.org/children-orphaned-hiv-and-aids.htm

  • randalpeterson

    Pro-gay is pretty strong language, based on what he said. People should go to his website and read or listen to what he said and decide for themselves. As I understand it, he feels people have a right to think and act as they want as long as it doesn’t impinge on the rights of others. He is a libertarian and believes, as do I, that the government should be limited to the powers given to them in the constitution. From listening to Beck over the years, I have no reason to doubt he is a Christian. You seem to be biased by the fact that he or one of his representatives didn’t get back to you on you idea.

  • Lady Patriot

    Who is the clown discussing gay marriage with Glenn Beck in the video? He is so lost. He has no concept of true Christianity.

  • Jenglish

    Pretty IGNORANT post Jackson! If you want to be viewed with the respect that is given to good journalists, DO REAL Journalism. The “Mormon” church in no way supports gay marriage. Way to make yourself look like a progressive liberal close-minded fool. Condescending High Five for ya!

  • gibbygoo56

    Glenn is so in love with the sound of his own voice. He thinks he is right about everything, that he is the only one enlightened with truth. I dunno about this cat.

    • Lady Patriot

      Actually, I have to agree somewhat with you. I’m still on the fence, though, and I haven’t quite figured him out. His show sometimes borders on silliness interspersed with drama–all in an effort to keep an audience. So…I don’t know about this cat, either.

      • gibbygoo56

        Me either. I watched Glenn everyday while he was on FNC. I felt his emotion deeply. I will always be grateful for the education. I don’t understand him anymore. And I do find him arrogant at times. Andrew Breitbart and other media guys couldn’t stand Glenn. They accused Glenn of stealing their stories among other things, but doing little to disguise it, while not even crediting them with the story. When Andrew died he and Glenn were at war.
        Why is he sorry for exposing the takeover of our country? How do you inform your viewers by “protecting” them? If you divide the country so be it. I don’t know about him! Are we suddenly not able to handle it? I thought he had respect for his viewers. Anyway, I do wish him continued success.

        • Lady Patriot

          I stopped watching The Blaze quite a while ago. Between Glenn’s paranoid conspiracy theories and the silly “guy” banter on his show, I decided it was a waste of my time. I don’t think his network will survive, unfortunately.

  • dino

    There are many false doctrines among Christians been the mormon church a false doctrine. No Angel has the authority to reveal “secrets” of the The Word. Also it is The Holy Spirit that teaches us and reveal the word. Islam started cause an “angel” told him something that wasnt true. The Bible is the only lawful guide to christians and is in there you will find everything you need to live a life to the fullest and in obedience to God.

    On that same thing, The Adventist together with JEhova’s Witnesses and many other churchs like the united Church of Christ all have a false doctrine including The Roman Catholic Church with their idolatry. My brothers read The Word of God is there that you will find The Truth.

    Also i am not here to the start a debate but do a quick search on “Christians False doctrines” and you will fine, LDS, Adventist, JEhova Witnesses and many others and the reason why they are false doctrines including the evangelical and pentecostal that have embraced the sin of homosexuality.

    The ones that currently teach the sound doctrine are evangelicals, pentecostals and baptists.

    • Poppo

      I was raised a Roman Catholic. In my late 20’s I started seriously studying the bible. I was more than a little surprised when I found that the Catholics had changed the 10 Commandments so that their Idolatry wasn’t considered a sin. The more I studied, the more I found that the Roman Catholic Church is as much a ‘cult’ as the Adventists, the Jehova’s Witnesses, and the Mormons. Catholics should read the excellent book “A Woman Rides the Beast” by the late Dave Hunt.
      As you stated, the Bible is the revealed Word of God, not some book of fables.

    • DonnaSC

      The evangelicals, pentacostals, and baptists have the “sound doctrine”? The ones who pay their pastors the most? And in my experience,the worst hypocrites out there? We really ARE in trouble.

      • Lady Patriot

        The Bible ordains us to tithe. What’s the difference between paying the pastor and putting money into the coffers of a cult for their in house welfare system?

        • DonnaSC

          I give up. What IS the difference between paying the pastor and putting money into coffers of a cult for their inhouse welfare system?

          Are you thinking that name-calling will help me “repent” from a religion I love so that I can go around telling people I don’t even know that they are going to hell as you do? I’ve played the born-again game. I like myself better as a Mormon and so does God.

          You aren’t wrong, per se. I know you have a good heart and a personal relationship with your Savior. But there is MORE gospel out there for you to learn and grow. When I go back to the born-again churches, I can feel the truth, and the holes in the truth. We ARE destined to become Gods. My marriage IS eternal, not “til death do us part.” God loves ALL his children and wants the best for them, not just the ones who go to the “right church.” He isn’t going to condemn Mother Theresa or the Dali Lama to hell. Each person is born with the Spirit of Christ and has his own challenges to cover in this life. Every life has meaning and purpose.

          A good tree beareth good fruits and vice versa. I love the fruits of the Mormons, who are my instant friends anywhere in the world. Mormons aren’t good to get into heaven. They are good because they have chosen goodness as a result of their relationship with Christ.

          I love the gospel. All of it.

  • MerleTemple

    Beck has always been more libertarian than conservative, more of the neoconservative bent on many issues than paleo-conservative.

  • Matthew T. Mason

    I do not know if Victoria reads the comments posted here, but things are much worse than what she conveys here.

    Glenn implied on Monday (1/20) his disapproval with Putin (calling him a “fascist”) and these “anti-g-y” laws in Russia. Actually, the one law of note prohibits homosexual propaganda being disseminated to minors.

    If he is getting bent out of shape about this (and he clearly is, if you listen carefully to his words), then what exactly is he getting at? Does he WANT children to be exposed to that garbage? If so, then he had better be on his knees praying and begging to God almighty that an organization like the American Family Association doesn’t decide to put him in their crosshairs because if they do, Glenn is finished.

    But either way, he has lost me as a listener.

    • Sensory_Homunculus

      … and Glenn is shedding a tiny, solitary tear, Matthew.

  • jeanee5tam

    Maybe he’s gay, maybe that’s why he almost drank himself to death. The moment he had his *comic* trash Gov Palin that told me everything, haven’t listened since. Have you noticed the so called conservative journalists defending Obama when he called us racists again recently, somethings up. I think we are winning and they don’t like the fact they won’t be able to control us like they have been, yes even Beck. I thought it strange when he mentioned how he was meeting secretly with Hollywood bigwigs in New York yrs ago in some famous restaurant basement, he was kind of bragging on the radio about it at the time, I thought oh boy what is this about it sounded really weird. Remember when he posed for that leftist photographer, the picture where he’s crying, I thought why would he even go near her let alone let her take his picture, she mocks ppl on the right/Christians. I remember reading about her and she explained what she used to put in his eyes to make them water to look like he was crying, remember when he cried all the time like Boehner, does he still do that? I don’t remember the photographers name, she did McCains photo too and she put fangs on his teeth with blood dripping off, all very weird stuff, I think it was for Time magazine. Maybe Beck isn’t who he appears to be all this time, we shall know soon enough won’t we….

  • MARYANN33

    Too bad Glenn is not a Christian though I feel sure he thinks he is…He could help much more by reading the Bible and following it on to know…Pray for Glenn’s conversion to Christianity…To leave the Mormon church publicly would benefit so many….

    • Stuart R. Taylor

      Oh, stop it already. Glenn Beck is a Christian.

      • MARYANN33

        Mormons are not Christian…..Sorry!!!

        • Stuart R. Taylor

          Wrongo Maryann!! Sorry!! Please keep your day job – or whatever you do – and get out of the business of judging others and leave that to God. That’s what a Christian does.

        • DonnaSC

          A Christian is someone who tries to follow Christ, or do you have some other definition? He may be misguided, he may have different ideas of who or what Christ is or does, but he is a Christian. He is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. By their fruits ye shall know them. Google the good the Mormons do in the world. Study it out for yourself. Don’t judge him and all Mormons according to some book or pastor that makes a fortune damning them.

          • Lady Patriot

            Generally, Mormons do not ask for salvation and pray for deliverance from their sin through Jesus Christ, Our Lord. Good works alone will not will save a person from eternal damnation. That is not to say, however, that all Mormons are unsaved. I am sure there are many who have read the Bible and understand the steps they must take for true salvation. Unless you have been saved, you cannot call yourself a Christian.

          • DonnaSC

            That is so funny. Have you ever talked to a real Mormon? Of course we pray for deliverance through Jesus. We believe faith without works is dead, but works don’t save you. It’s just if you ARE saved, the works will come naturally as a result of your dedication to the gospel. And many studies show that Mormons read the Bible pretty much more than any other Christians, constantly being encouraged to do so every day. But the “saved” thing is misleading, because Mormons are encouraged to “endure to the end.” Like the parable of the sower, there are seeds that fall away. It’s the “saved” Christians who then go out and sin away because they are “saved” that disgust me.

          • Lady Patriot

            Yes, Donna, I live in an area with many Mormons. I also have friends who are Mormons. I am always surprised that they don’t seem to get the concept of being saved. All Christians are compelled to endure to the end and do good works. I agree with you that some Christians fall away from their faith and sin. Whether they do sinful things on purpose because they are Christians is questionable.

          • DonnaSC

            I grew up in Lynchburg, Virginia, home of Liberty University, and the “saved” Baptists certainly taught me that all Christians are hypocrites. As a young adult I was “saved” in New York state when I started reading the Bible and praying for myself. Mormons don’t use the term “saved” but the concept is definitely there. But they are more likely to stay away from the “saved” designation because of the people who believe “once saved, always saved” and simply look at their acceptance of Jesus Christ and their sincere baptism into the faith as the beginning of their journey of constant improvement. How many times have I seen the bumper sticker “Not perfect, just forgiven”? Mormons aren’t forgiven after baptism (which initially washes away all sins) until they have repented from additional sins. The Baptists I know don’t have to worry about that. Just yell out Jesus one more time.

          • Lady Patriot

            Okay, if Mormons are all that and you say they read the Bible all the time, why do they need the book of Mormon?

            If you believe baptism “washes away all sin”, you have a lot to learn. Is that what the Mormon faith teaches you? They need to read more of the Bible and put away the Book of Mormon.

            There’s hypocrites in all all walks of life and in all religions. Do you think that if you walk in Jesus’ shoes, you will become perfect?

          • DonnaSC

            Good questions. Thank you. The Bible was translated many times, and not even put together until several hundred years after the death of Christ. People such as Constantine put in and took out precious truths such as life before birth and details of the war in heaven. After his death, Christ preached the gospel to others, including but not limited to the American continent, and they wrote their book about Him. More important, we have a living prophet on the earth today because we need one. He unites and standardizes the teachings. I’m not quoting lots of scriptures, but there are plenty to back all of this up.

          • Lady Patriot

            Hoo-boy…you are really struggling to justify Joseph Smith’s fairy tale. Without going into a lot of history, I’ll just say Joseph Smith made a lot of crazy proclamations such as, THERE ARE MEN LIVING ON THE MOON WHO DRESS LIKE QUAKERS AND LIVE TO BE 1000 YEARS OLD. Why do you put so much faith in a crackpot like that?

            Yes, the Bible has been translated many times into many languages, but the essence of Truth is in all translations.

          • DonnaSC

            Yeah, I read the anti-Mormons say he said that. I never heard it within the Church. He didn’t put it in the Book of Mormon! But I also read the anti-Mormons say we worship Joseph Smith, we still practice polygamy, and all kinds of other crazy stuff. It’s when I went to check out stuff like that for real, and what the Mormon church really is about, and what the people are like, that I joined. I guess if there were no controversy and no silly stories like that, that would be proof he wasn’t telling the truth because Satan will definitely attack the truth.

          • Lady Patriot

            Again, you are relying what the people and the Mormon church is about instead of relying on the Gospel. If you like the Mormon Church, so be it, just don’t be surprised when others question the sanity of their leaders and the members who swallow that garbage.

          • DonnaSC

            Can’t we at least agree the Bible is the word of God, that there is a Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, that Jesus walked on earth and it is only through him that we have eternal life? What gospel are you talking about? The one the anti-Mormons made up and pretend we believe? I have no idea what you are talking about. Mormons are Christians. If you have been told otherwise, you have been lied to. Follow the money.

          • Lady Patriot

            Donna, to enlighten you, the Gospel is the Bible. Mormons are not born again.

          • DonnaSC

            It really isn’t your decision about whether or not a Mormon is born again.

          • Lady Patriot

            Donna, it is unfortunate you were so disappointed by people who claimed to be Christian, but were evidently not leading a Christian life. As I mentioned before, it happens in all religions and it always will. Your job is to “keep your eye on the sparrow”. That is, focus on your personal relationship with God and do not be distracted by people who cannot resist being influenced by Satan.

            Many Christians go through all the motions of being Christian, ie: They know just the right scriptures to quote, and where they are found! They pray aloud in flourishing words. They never miss saying grace before meals, especially in public for all to see, etc. Most importantly, I believe, is that God knows what’s in a person’s HEART, and you will be judged by that, not on any rite or ceremony.

          • DonnaSC

            You don’t know if you need a prophet or not if you don’t have one. I am still “active” in other churches, performing music and going to Bible studies and participating in service projects. I see true Christian friends and hypocrites in every church, but there are lot more true Christians in the Mormon Church. And I feel when I go to a Protestant Church like they have part of truth, maybe a second grade level, but they are missing so much! My Protestant friends and customers come to me for spiritual and personal advice about forgiveness, gratitude, family relationships, etc. I must be doing something right.

          • Lady Patriot

            It sounds like you are doing good works…but only God knows what’s in a person’s heart. There are Christians in all faiths, I believe. We have wandered way off the topic of the article on Glenn Beck, however.

            I can’t understand how seemingly intelligent people can embrace the teachings of the Mormon church, which are pretty bizarre. They are so bizarre, that the Mormons are now reneging on some of Joseph Smith’s teachings- like blood atonement and plural marriage, for instance. This is why so many question Glenn Beck’s rationality-and partly the reason Mitt Romney wasn’t elected president.

          • Northpaw

            The solution to that conundrum is found here: how many sins had you committed at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion and expiation of mankind’s sins? Answer: none. But how many did He die for: All of them. This means you have accepted His total forgiveness for all of your sins. This doesn’t mean you a have blank check to commit as many as you want without consequence because we know there are crowns, rewards at stake in the hereafter as well as painful physical and spiritual effects for sin while still here.

            The Apostle Paul clearly shows that we are not abandoned by our Lord for failing to live by His divine standards and as suzyshopper points out when we walk with Christ, our new nature will grow stronger, and dominate our old nature. The Holy Spirit will convict us of sin but never let us fall away: 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

          • Northpaw

            Read Romans 7:14 to 25. Without it, all you’re left with is 1 John: if you sin well you’re not born again; if you don’t obey, you don’t belong to Christ. If you say you walk with Christ, then you ought to behave the way He behaves. Here is just a portion:

            14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

            15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

            It is so black and white and it is some sweet relief. Romans 7 is a haven for the doubting Christian, where you can go and find comfort in the fact that the Apostle Paul struggled mightily against his own sin. I believe it covers the “It’s the ‘saved’ Christians who then go out and sin away because they are ‘saved’ that disgust me” dilemma because what appears to be callus license to sin by some of the saved could as well have been said of the great Apostle Paul himself and as he goes on to say in verses 37 and 38:

            37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

            38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

          • Lady Patriot

            Thank you, Northpaw. Try as we might, we will never be perfect as He was. All we can do is strive walk in His shoes. Even so, we have a sinful nature and sin is sin in God’s eye, whether it be calling in sick for work or robbing a bank.

          • suzyshopper

            Or it could be that the person who thinks there a Christian, are truly not.From my understanding of the Bible a saved person can sometimes fall into sin but not live in it. because we have a new nature in us warring with the old nature, but as we walk with Christ, our new nature will grow stronger, and dominate our old nature.

          • MARYANN33

            I did my own research…All the good works are as filthy rags…Read the real Bible, not the book of mormon…

          • ForMotionCreatv

            They believe they’re saved by the restored gospel of Joseph Smith. It’s not biblical. But it takes a good debate to get a mormon to admit to this.

          • MARYANN33

            I think we owe it to the good people in the Mormon cult to try to explain why they are not a Christian….

          • DonnaSC

            lol I was a main stream Protestant for the first 25 years of my life. That is research. Reading anti-Mormon books is not research. It is just confirming the hate. Main stream pastors aren’t real wild about a religion that teaches you don’t pay the ministry!

          • MARYANN33

            Research is comparing the book of mormon to the Bible..Mormon does not fly if you do that…God says do not add to his words in the Bible—ever. Especially not words of an angel….

          • DonnaSC

            God says in Deuteronomy not to add to his words. And then Revelations has it at the end, but Revelations was not the last book written in the Bible. Remember, the Bible, or set of books, was not put together until 400 years after Christ. Was it okay to have the revelation to put that together then, but we don’t need no stinking revelation today because we can figure out pot, and abortion, and pornography, and the internet, and all the things that didn’t exist back then based on the standards we were given then? If so, then why do the different churches disagree so much? And how come so many churches “tolerate” sin like fornication? Personally, I taught my kids no sex until you are married, but few of the Christian sects around here believe that anymore. That’s too old-fashioned. Getting back to Glenn, he doesn’t LIKE homosexuality, he doesn’t think the act is good in God’s eyes. But is it worse than the young couple living together? Any sex outside of marriage is wrong. So you love the sinner and hate the sin.

          • MARYANN33

            Many main stream protestants are not really Christian either….You must be born again….to follow on to know.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            The best counterfeit is one that looks like the real thing.

          • Northpaw

            In fact a Secret Service agent once wrote that his service, mandated to investigate and stop the counterfeiting of U.S. currency, has a rule for training agents to spot counterfeit currency: they study extensively the real currency first and foremost. This enables the agent to spot all currencies that do not fit the template. Applied here, if you study the Holy Bible and the words of Jesus you are not likely to fall for the counterfeiters.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            You got it Northpaw. Know the Truth, and you will be set free from lies.

          • DonnaSC

            While you give your money to your pastor so he can live in a nice house, I’ll give mine to a church without paid ministry who spends the money on charity. Fortunately, there is room for you in “Mormon heaven” because Mormons don’t believe only Mormons go to heaven. However, there are many mansions and a closed mind and contentious heart will keep you out of the higher ones. Your choice. According to you I’m damned because of some ethereal technical differences. I am willing to bet my eternal life on it.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Donna, there’s only one heaven. No levels because we don’t “earn our way” there. I appreciate the offer, but won’t be in a place shared by Mormons.

          • DonnaSC

            I don’t think where I go is your decision.

          • http://www.timothyburns.com/ Timothy Burns

            Donna, thanks for letting me clarify. You’re right, where you spend eternity is entirely up to you. But your following a different Jesus and a different Gospel than I am, and my Jesus said there is only one way into spend eternity with him. If you want to find out more about the Living God, and his solution for your and my sin, connect with me via email.

  • Time4Dogs

    Sexuality is biologically determined. It’s not a choice, it’s not a sin. I am not a fan of gay marriage but gay people ARE what they ARE and blathering on about the bible and sin has no place in any intelligent discussion about homosexuality. There. I’ve gone and said it.

    • telefrank

      I applaud your view, but I am interested as to why you say you are not a “fan” of same sex marriage. If you feel as you do, then why would you not encourage gays to settle down and commit to the one person of their choice as heterosexuals often do?

  • DaCoachK

    God, the queers and their deviance have divided the nation and destroyed its moral fiber. I didn’t hate homos prior to their bogus “movement.” Now, I despise them. These people were so much more tolerable when they too knew they had something wrong with them and hung out in bus depots and public parks, hoping for the random hookup. America, you were great. RIP.

    • telefrank

      Wow. So, you didn’t “hate” the “homos” until they actually wanted to be treated equally. I bet you must have LOVED the abolition of slavery. That’s when “those people” really got uppity too.

      • DaCoachK

        Listen you homo-sympathizer, homos have never been denied anything except their supposed “right” to redefine nature. Of course, nature wins that. And the bogus comparison is a false analogy. The two are not the same. One is an inborn trait, while the other–one man assaulting the alimentary canal of another man– is behavior. Simply put, one chooses to engage in the unnatural and abnormal act of homosexuality. Nice try there, Miss.

        • Bobby P

          Hate to break it to you honey, but it happens in nature – ergo; it’s natural. And, why is it always about the but secks with you people? Is that all you think gay people are about?

          And let’s never forget – religion is a choice. Always has been. Always will be. Period.

          • DaCoachK

            Assaulting the alimentary canal is ALL homos think about. It is how they define themselves. You are welcome for the explanation, Miss. Oh, what “nature” are you speaking of? It must be that imaginary nature homos always try to throw up to defend their deviance. Let me clear it up–one dog mounting another dog is about dominating the other male, not weird sex. Homos on the other hand….weird does not begin to describe these sickos.

          • Bobby P

            Provide me with a copy of your PhD in Human Behavior & Sexuality, along with your many hours of research on the subject, and then maybe I might believe you speak from a real point of knowledge and not simply projecting your own prejudices against a complete class of human beings.

          • DaCoachK

            Go to the library, check out a biology book, read the chapter on sex, and get back to me Tinkerbell.

          • Bobby P

            Yes. Your ignorant and fowl language make your arguments so very, very credible. What a wonderful human being you must be, to know in person.

          • Lady Patriot

            You won’t get any sympathy here, either.. Everything would be just fine and dandy if you gays would go back into the closet where you belong. I don’t want you parading around, waving your colors and trying to convince me you are normal. I don’t want you stalking my teenage son. I don’t want to explain to children why their little friend has two mommies. I don’t want to see you fondling and kissing each other behind the curtain. You weren’t BORN that way…you need a head shrink.

          • DaCoachK

            I repeat: Go to library, check out a biology book, read section on anatomy, and then get back to me Tinkerbell. Sorry you got your feelings hurt. I am blunt and direct, but very factually correct. From your girlish responses, it is evident why you are so pro-homo.

          • telefrank

            Why are bigots so obsessed with specific sex acts? Sex acts that I might mention heterosexuals also engage in. And I assume your definition of “homos” would also include lesbians who probably have no interest in “assaulting the alimentary canal” as you so ridiculously cannot stop thinking (dreaming?) about.

          • Lady Patriot

            Don’t try to lay that lie on the majority. Homosexuality is NOT natural, you weren’t BORN that way…homosexuality is a perversion.

          • telefrank

            Homosexuality occurs in nature. Therefore it is natural. Religious hysteria on the other hand is a choice.

          • Lady Patriot

            True homosexuality does NOT occur in nature. Animals may mistake another for the opposite sex on occasion because they are simply dumb animals…they do NOT actually mate, nitwit.

          • telefrank

            (I hate to break this to you, but humans are also part of nature.)

          • Northpaw

            “True homosexuality does NOT occur in nature. Animals may mistake another for the opposite sex on occasion because they are simply dumb animals…they do NOT actually mate, nitwit.”

            Which translates to: what dumb animals do because they are dumb, humans do on purpose because they are purposely dumb. Agreed.

      • Lady Patriot

        I agree with DaCoachK…Homosexuals should go back into the closet where they belong. They want to be treated equal to what?

  • Knybee

    #1) In the interview posted Penn states that the founding fathers were deists. That’s a lie that atheists use and is perfectly evident in the prayer book of George Washington, where he continuously implores the name of Jesus Christ. He was unanimously elected as the first president by his peers who knew full well what he believed in. And he also stated his beliefs publicly in keeping with not denying his Lord.
    #2) Those who place the Constitution above the Bible’s authority have changed the foundation which God has set and that the Founders recognized by stating “endowed by our Creator”. So in fact those who do so are not in agreement with the Bible nor the Constitution.

  • CORMAC___NJ

    Does it occur to you that a government that can outlaw gay marriage can also outlaw straight marriage? I have to say that progressives absolutely LOVE conservatives who prefer state power over Constitutionally-constrained government.

    The patriot act is a perfect example. Conservatives supported legislation that vastly reduces individual liberty because they believed it would only be used to protect Americans. Then Obama gets into office and uses the new powers to advance his political power, and that of his friends and associates.

    Marriage laws are the same. If you answered my first question with something like “that would never happen here” then you are exactly the kind of useful idiot that are letting a liberal revolution proceed largely unopposed.

  • james

    His God talk is all talk…No real believer in Jesus supports sin….

  • telefrank

    How can this sinning woman even dare to condemn others when she herself is divorced?

    • Lady Patriot

      She has paid the price for her sin. God has mercy when we repent and ask His forgiveness. When a sinner continues to sin, as in homosexuality, he/she makes a mockery of God.

      • telefrank

        It’s adorable that you think that. I used to think that if I took a bite of Imperial Margerine, a crown would appear on my head. But I was only seven.

        • Lady Patriot

          If YOU don’t believe that, you don’t believe in God’s grace and forgiveness. Crack open your Bible, if you have one and read about the Woman at the Well. Adorable? It’s in the Bible, for crying out loud.

          • Northpaw

            If he is an unbeliever the Bible will be a book of fairytales until he hears something he wants to hear or already believes to be true in which case in will be a profundity to be called attention to as in, your own sacred – fill in the blank – says etc. etc.

  • Sensory_Homunculus

    “I don’t dislike any people group.”

    Victoria definitely writes this blog herself, and I think it’s SOOO great!!

  • kqs

    and you all were going to put mittens in the white house, saying basically his god was better than a muslim god… and you expected God to bless you?

    which part of “thou shall have no false gods before me” didnt you understand??????

    hypocrites

    • kqs

      really glad this happened… some pharisees i love very much and i hope God does not send them to hell. i hope it opens the eyes of the blind.

  • Ryght Rider

    I used to like Beck despite him being a mormon and despite him being a libertarian but this pro homosexuality stance is the third strike. Beck seems to prefer being a pseudoChristian (mormon) as well as being a pseudoconservative (libertarian) and that’s all well and fine with him up until he meets the one true God, the one that Joseph Smith NEVER understood. Beck goes on and on about how we are losing our freedoms but the most fundamental freedom (the right to express our beliefs in God as protected by the first amendment) are being attacked more and more by the radical homosexual militants which he dont seem to mind. He need to realize that fiscal or liberty issues within America dont begin by themselves, they begin through a corruption of character of an individual and then of a group of individuals until an entire society is infected with moral rot. Before he or anyone else can fix anything in the economy or anything regarding a suppression of freedoms they must first recognize the moral sickness which engenders corruptions to begin with and use and promote God as a defense and cure against it. I will pray for him.

  • Colleen Mitchell

    Yeah Glenn lost my support when I found out what he said about gays ……

  • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

    This is why I will have nothing to do with liberaltarians or the leftist mentality. They go through a lot of mental gymnastics to blame the government and “progressives” for a lot of things, as well as vilify the Right, because of their refusal to entertain their notions. The Right stands on principals, while leftists (including libertarians) stand on politics and political ideology. This is also yet another reason I don’t believe mormons are Christians. It’s just another cult.

  • wink1026

    OK give Beck a chance to explain! This could be interesting, and the article talks about Mormons o my. To be point blank, that is one reason I didn’t like Romney, because if he believed in a book from tablets found in a hat, but voted for h…im anyway. I would have voted for anything but obee. I think the book of Mormons was a ploy by Mr. Smith & Devil to mislead. It worked for him no hunger, had money, and had people to look up to him, good move on your part Smith (false prophet) . Oh just a word to all who voted for obee, thanks for your stupid, Godless actions. The good thing about it, you can’t say a thing about my post,, well maybe you could but, ok the stupid is coming out again . Obee’s records and actions back ME up Ba ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    Christians wake up! You’ve been had!

    WORSE THAN BECK (a Mormon, from whom it can be expected) placating the homosexuals is that NEARLY ALL CHRISTIANS do the same thing with statements such as: “I have friends who are gay!,” “I don’t dislike gays!,” “I don’t care what gays do in their own bedroom as long as they don’t do in front of my children!,” ad nauseam.

    Christians wake up! You’ve, once again, been had by the political correct gang. Yahweh’s morality doesn’t change. He’s the same yesterday, today, and forever. Thus His moral law doesn’t change either. In Yahweh’s sight, sodomy is just as much a capital crime as is murder and rape. Consequently, with Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 in mind, the former statements are equivalent to saying the same about rapists and murderers. “I have friends who are rapists!,” “I don’t dislike murderers!,” “I don’t care what rapists do as long as they don’t do in front of my children!”

    “Like a trampled spring and a polluted well Is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.” (Proverbs 25:26)

  • Candyman101

    If Glenn Beck is pro-homosexual, that has little or no bearing on the teachings of the LDS Church. That’s like saying that the Catholic Church believes in abortion because some members of their church support it. That’s circular reasoning that doesn’t necessary mean what you mean it to be. Just because Victoria Jackson is a Mormon hater and attacks the church regularly doesn’t mean she knows what she speaks of. Evangelicals like her are one of the many reasons we still have a communist in the White House. They would rather not vote than vote for a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. So, the communist wins by a small margin that would not have been there if the Evangelicals were not prejudiced against “Mormons”.

    • ForMotionCreatv

      Uh, Mr. Seal-the-Deal-with-Evangelicals, Ralph Reed boasted that they got approx 80% of the evangelical vote for Mitt. He lost bc he etcha-sketched out the conservative base.

  • jime1

    Another conservative converted to the dark side! By by Beck, see yah !!!

  • Northpaw

    In Paul’s letter to the Galatians chapter 1 verse 8 he wrote:
    “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

  • http://www.twitter.com/xthred Rick Evans

    Love you, Victoria!

  • http://www.twitter.com/xthred Rick Evans

    Mormonism -Temple Of Doom.
    http://youtu.be/jf1-BW7xaa8
    .

  • awkingsley

    Glen Beck seems to be positioned as a New World Order Globalist. The New World Order relies on Socialism to destroy the wealth and power of the Middle Class and a Socialist Police State to control the disenfranchised and economically destroyed Middle Class. Immorality is one of the major tools for expansion of Socialism and its agenda. Conservatives get a rabidly pro Israel stance confused with a Biblical agenda; it is in fact a New World Order Globalist agenda. Glen Beck is not a Conservative. He is a New World Order Globalist, and the Conservative agenda and the New World Order Globalist agenda are virtual opposites. Conservatives have been co-opted by the New World Order Globalists, and are voting against their own interests when they cast a vote for one of those imposters, including Romney and McCain.

  • Kim Hansgen Granger

    God uses imperfect people all the time. David… A murderer and adulterer. Rahab , a prostitute. he met with Tax collectors… Moses , a speech impediment .Even had a disciple who was a tax collector.
    He met with lepers, the poor, the unsaved. His heart wasn’t for the Pharasees or Saducees who were the leaders of RELIGION at that time. He came to be the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. If we, as Christians treat others the way I am reading here, we are just as sinful as any other sinner. Glen said something very different from Victoria said he did. She needs to fact check and ask for forgiveness before next communion. Having a grudge against someone else and taking communion is a sin. SIN IS SIN TO GOD. BACK BITING, GOSSIP, LYING AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR is just SIN.

  • Susan

    Mormonism is irrational and was based/started with polygamy. It is anti-women, reduces women to breeders which homosexuality does. It is anti-Natural Law (US government)–which all homosexual cultures were/are—like the Spartans, Samurai, today’s Afghanis–who all despised women and used them as breeders and used the boys for sexual recreation. They were homosexuals/idolators/narcissists. Pederasty is normal in homosexual cultures since it is a “Learned” worldview.

    They need to destroy Christianity for the NWO. Loyalty to God can not exist in a totalitarian Marxist State.

    Beck falls for the “gay gene” lie—instead of looking at history/Truth—that homosexuals are warped, corrupted—child abuse victims, neglected (Psychogenesis by Moberly) and so it is a perversion caused by evil child abuse and choice. It is easy to see the Truth by looking at Biology—and understanding how evil and warping it is for males to get sexually exited by looking at other males. it destroys true love, true friendship.

    Mormons who sponsored Boy Scouts were the first ones to embrace allowing little boys to be “taught” that homosexuality is normal—and to accept them into the scouts. Homosexuals founded the German boy Scouts and used them for orgies in the woods. There were a bunch of Mormon men who were accused of abusing Boy Scouts last year. Hmmmmmmm . What does that tell you about Glenn Beck—if he ignores the Truth/Biology/Reason.

    Beck should read Fr. Oko’s report to understand the perverse evil of homosexual behavior—and how Vice breeds vice only. THere is a great “reason” why sodomy is a mortal sin and the established “Homomafia” inside the Vatican should scare him to hell—esp. since he has a little boys.
    Wise up, Glenn—for your son’s sake and any grand sons.

  • DonnaSC

    It’s funny how many people are willing to believe that a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints isn’t a Christian because they have listened to some bozo making lots of money pretending it’s a “different” Jesus. This is a strategy worthy of Saul Alinksy. Divide!

  • Jesse Curtis

    I know at one time it was said the Book of Mormon was more accurate than the Holy Bible.
    the bible can be traced to manuscripts, the book of Mormon no so, and it has been changed 100 X100 times, over 200 in spelling errs. and was thinking Time Mag. stated could not find any evidence or DNA in the US to prove that book of Mormon.

  • Laura Lee

    Hi… the truth is he is CIA…; and not only is he “pro-gay”… please take another look. Glenn Beck IS gay. God bless. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfciXZrGIDU That vid is about why Homosexual Marriage is State Religion That Makes the Bible and Christianity Illegal.)

  • Laura Lee

    PS… Thank you so much, Victoria… for all of your acting over the years. You bring a smile to my face to recall your antics on SNL. :) You’ve brought joy. God bless you!!

  • Maria Avalon

    Victoria again you are full of crap. First of all you just proved that you lied to Howard Stern when you said that you did not want to ban gays from TV and now you say your true agenda. First of all I could care less about what the Bible says on Homosexuality. The Bible is an evil Book which promotes racism, sexism, homophobia and various evil practices like torture and genocide. The fact is that Science shows that Homosexuality is normal, natural and found in every living species. You do realize that the majority of Scientists and Psychologists reject the Bible right? The Bible is a lie and further more your idea that the Bible will be banned is a load. Hate Speech has always and should always be allowed so just as you Christians have the right to spout any kind of hateful drivel so too do any other evil group such as Nazis, Muslims etc. It is so funny that you rail against Christianity being banned and yet support denying the freedom of speech of TV writers to have Gay characters on them because you think that being Gay is so terrible and toxic to children and that just seeing Homosexuals makes kids Gay. Again this shows again why your supposed “Gay friends” should cut you off because a Gay person being friends with you is like a Black Person being friends with a Klan member.