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US Troops Fed Up With Insane Rules of Engagement

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“In a delicate discussion with an Army Ranger who recently left the military, we heard the following: “I had to get out. I have a family who needs me. I didn’t join to be sacrificed. I joined to fight.”

“This decision came shortly after he lost a close friend to the ROE (Rules of Engagement). He explained how the Taliban had attempted an ambush on his friend’s squad but quickly realized they were in a battle they couldn’t win and began retreating. While chasing them, the U.S. soldiers were ordered not to engage due to the slight chance the Taliban had laid down their arms as they ran through some type of shack. While arguing with leadership at the JOC (Joint Operations Center), his friend was shot and killed.”

This story is being told all too frequently in military circles.

Story here.

“In the first seven plus years of war in Afghanistan (October 2001 – December 2008) we lost 630 U.S. soldiers. In early 2009, this administration authorized the implementation of the COIN strategy. Over the next five years, the U.S. death toll skyrocketed to 2,292.”

COIN – the failed Counterinsurgency strategy also known as “winning the hearts and minds of the enemy.” This and “our government’s incessant tightening of already restrictive ROE (Rules of Engagement), have made an otherwise primitive enemy formidable.”

The Obama Administration is telling our young men to win a war with their hands tied behind their backs. Slaughtering them. Unbelievable. Our Commander-in-Chief is aiding and abetting the enemy. Impeach Obama.

“Seventy-three percent of all U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have taken place since 2009.”

“In the first seven plus years of war in Afghanistan, 2,638 U.S. soldiers were wounded in action. In the next forty-five months (2009 – 2012) an additional 15,036 suffered the same fate.”

Excerpts are from an article written by: Billy and Karen Vaughn who are Gold Star parents of Special Operations Chief (SEAL) Aaron Vaughn, KIA 6 Aug 2011. Billy is the author of “Betrayed: The Shocking True Story of Extortion 17.” Read more or schedule the Vaughns for a speaking event at http://www.forourson.us.

Related article here about our troops being at greater risk since Obama’s new Rules of Engagement.

It mentions the situation under investigation where Aaron Vaughn was needlessly killed…”the Afghan Taliban’s downing of a CH-47 Chinook helicopter last year that killed 30 U.S. troops, including 17 members of SEAL Team 6. The report notes service members’ frustration at seeing people they knew were Taliban fighters during the August 2012 operation in Afghanistan’s Tangi Valley, but they were denied permission to shoot.”

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  • http://oldretiredpettyofficer.blogspot.com/ ORPO1

    It is so wrong to hold our forces to such poor command……………………………….

    • celticwaryor

      It’s so wrong to have our forces under the dictates of the current CIC…period!

      • Traveller62

        Read my reply to ORPO1. That really happened!!

    • Paper Boy

      It’s called evil intent.

  • Ronald Freitas

    Obama the worst president in American history he is a f****** moron

    • Barbara Anne Hess

      Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ONEPISSEDOFFCITIZEN

      And that’s his good side…

    • Traveller62

      YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

  • 2War Abn Vet

    I’m convinced that our government is more concerned with prosecuting our own military personnel than in conducting a war against our enemies.

    • Rudy McGillvray

      You’re absolutely correct, mainly because he (Oblamer) is more interested in a military that can help him take over the USA because he thinks we should be conquered not Afganistan. I say leave their country devasted nuke it from one end to other and say to the poor bastards left alive, hey kids see what happens when you stick your fist on our nose. And good riddance. That’s the kind of hater I am.

    • turfbarn80

      I think that’s because they don’t consider them enemies, but fellow collaborators in the war against Americans. Our government has slated us for representational extinction.

  • alfalfajohn

    When you have a muslim thinking potus pretender who can only dribble a round ball what else can the military expect. He’s fired more good men than he can count on two hands. Oh, sorry, his teleprompter had a glitch? Then he stutters, uh, er, uh and etc. Hope the ones who got free cell phones like his medical solution to their drug problems. They will revolt and probably rightly so.

    • tl cox

      David Petraeus was the architect of counter-insurgency (COIN) strategy in today’s Army. The Petraeus COIN doctrine was an integral part of the US “surge” in Iraq, which played a role in the reversal of declining US military fortunes in that country. As Afghanistan commander, he shaped the current strategy.

      • kktex12

        and now he is advancing killary for president. No way in hell!!!!

        • tl cox

          kktex he’s a registered republican and has no love at all for any Clinton …

        • Sam

          I didn’t get that, either. I thought Petraeus was smarter than that.

      • tl cox

        You have to remember also that Petraeus was head of the CIA during the Benghazi raid and so far has gotten away with few questions about his part. Congress needs to get serious.

  • TimO

    Under the Bush administration our troops were dying to defend our country. Under Obama they are being sacrificed to the GOD’s of socialism. He said it himself more than once that what we need is a civilian force as large if not larger than our military. He certainly is making our military smaller.

    • fistdeyuma

      Bush also had stupid rules of engagement. They just got worse under Obama.

      • Floridastorm

        No, I don’t think the “rules of engagement” under Bush were stupid. He had the troops fight to win under any circumstances.

        In Afghanistan under the new rules of engagement airstrikes cannot be launched against enemy forces unless the person authorizing the strike is willing to declare for the record that no civilians will be killed. Similarly no Taliban terrorist can be fired upon unless the one directing the fire is also willing to certify that no civilian will be harmed during the action. This is nonsense. The result is that it is not unusual for units in contact with the enemy to have to wait for hours for an airstrike to clear bureaucratic authorization hurdles and be launched.

        Fighting a war under the command of Barack Obama is very different than fighting under the command of any president who has ever come before. Up until president #44, commanders-in-chief actually had some degree of trust in the soldiers under their command. They put them into battle for one reason, summed up by President Ronald Reagan’s statement: “We win, they lose.” They sent them with commonsensical rules for civilized warfare, and then they gave them the mandate to go out and win. Today we have a commander-in-chief who would prefer not to talk about actually winning:

  • MarcJ

    What did you expect Mullah B. Hussein Obama, our Marxist Muslim President from Kenya, would do?

    • tl cox

      Gen David Petraeus (a republican) was the architect of counter-insurgency (COIN) strategy in today’s Army. The Petraeus COIN doctrine played a role in the reversal of declining US military fortunes in that country. As Afghanistan commander, he shaped the current strategy.

  • hardtruth00

    Thank a Democrat for every life needlessly lost.

  • LibertyLooms

    Why is any soldier fighting any war that was not declared by Congress? The troops have culpability if they don’t heed the document they swore to defend. Every durn one of them should wave the Constitution at their CO and demand to go home. Yo, troops! What the heck are you doing over there?

    • the_puppy

      You are right. War is immoral if not necessary and war not being declared before a country is invaded is illegal. So, shoot GW Bush for treason?

      • Floridastorm

        Congress approved both the invasion of Iraq and the Afghanistan invasion. A president is required to “faithfully execute laws passed by congress”. So, what was illegal and what treason are you referring to?

        • the_puppy

          War was not declared nor approved by congress. It’s a simple fact. If a Republic, which is a country based on law, does not follow its laws it is a dictatorship.

          • Floridastorm

            You can Google both of these. Now, Obama never got approval from Congress for action in Libya.

            The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107–243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq.

            In Afghanistan, “After September 11, the United States Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force against Terrorists (AUMF)

          • Wingedgodd3ss

            That’s what’s happening right now

      • fideux

        Oh, here we go, it’s all Bush’s fault! Give it a rest already!

        • the_puppy

          Cheney too…

    • Floridastorm

      Both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war were overwhelmingly approved by congress. Obama is the only president to go to war without congressional approval (Libya).

  • john396

    QUOTE “I didn’t join to be sacrificed.”

    The illegal war was started by Bush years ago, you should have known then that you weren’t fighting for America…just the corporations wanting other countries resources & to loot our treasury.

    The corporations have a new puppet, Obama, but he is even worse than Bush….and I never thought that would be possible!!

    • the_puppy

      Now I read half of these posts stating Obama is a Communist and a Marxist or a Socialist or some kind of IST pushing godless Obamacare that will do something bad not actually stated, but bad! He is also taxing the job creators and giving the money to the “takers” who don’t want to work. You and others say he’s a Fascist puppet of the rich, bent on giving our taxes and patriot son blood stained treasures stolen from others to godless corporations.

      I’m starting to think this is all just the ranting of hillbilly rednecks mad about a negro president screaming whatever they heard on Fox News or Info Wars and not factual statements by rational humans. Or, maybe half of you are good Christians and the rest evil. Now, who will swear to Jesus they are telling the truth based on logical facts and which of you are worshippers of Lucifer sent to cause mindless anti-American dissent and cause us to act against the Lord?

      • kktex12

        judasbama is a mooslim.

      • fideux

        Some of your comments sound somewhat intelligent; this isn’t one of them. But I’m sure Obama appreciates you playing the race card for him. His wrist is numb from flashing it himself!

        • the_puppy

          No, you are right. This was a bit of a rant. But it made you mad and you insulted me without making a legitimate point and so proved mine.

    • Floridastorm

      There was no illegal war, pal. Both the IRAQ war and the Afghanistan war were approved by congress and were supported by many other countries. You might not have liked these conflicts, however they were not illegal. So, tell me. What resources have these American corporations gotten out of Iraq and Afghanistan? We get practically no oil from Iraq. And, most of the contracts for oil exploration and delivery went to other foreign countries not to US companies. And, pray tell, except for rocks and Opium, what do American companies get from them? Please don’t be comparing Bush to this pretender in the white house.

  • the_puppy

    Bush started the war and this ROE policy is based on his orders. I’ve trained with the Rangers and Airborne and know they and all US forces are good soldiers. But, this is Vietnam all over again. They can’t win. Policy is still to make the war last as long as possible so military industry and contractors can make as much money as possible. If a few of your sons have to die, that’s the price of a good economy. Well, good for them anyway.

    Winning is actually easy:

    Get rid of the secret CIA/DEA black-ops and really destroy all of the opium and marijuana crops ruining the Taliban cash source. My Pakistani contact tells me the Taliban ship (with full US knowledge) at least a full shipping container a week full of heroin (not opium – pure heroin) out of Afghanistan into Turkey, then to Germany and world distribution from either Hamburg or Bremen. Most law enforcement know this and no one will touch it. Too much money in too highly placed positions for that. Most goes to the US. American drugs pay for the terrorists. The war on drugs makes sure the price stays high. This is the most important first step.

    Destroy all food crops, poison the land (easy salt and//or Roundup), and poison all wells (cyanide).

    Place all women and children in concentration camps and reeducate the children with English only lessons and the Bible. Burn all Qorans. Destroy all of the culture.

    Kill all males over the age of ten.

    Destroy all city and town infrastructure.

    Burn everything else that’s left.

    Arrest the legally elected government and shoot them.

    Sound horrible? It’s war, live with it. Not a WWJD choice? Tough, Americans want victory now, not the Kingdom of Heaven. Anyway, all of this was done to the American Indian and it worked and no Christians had a problem with these policies in the 1800s, so why would you now?

    Another choice:

    Admit this is a war for control of drugs and oil and make the government stop lying about protecting us from the terrorist boogeyman like we are all four years old and they can talk down to us like they are.

    Do not allow your children to join the military unless you truly believe they are natural born, cold blooded psychopathic killers and not children of God. A history of torturing and killing small animals is a good indicator. So is if they actually enjoy Ted Nugent’s music which seems counterintuitive since he was found unfit for military service, but trust me on this.

    Vote against any politician who wants to spend more on the military and less on schools, job training, and apprenticeship programs. This politician wants people to have only the military as an option for employment. Young people with education and skills do not need to invade other countries and risk getting killed.

    And, finally, stop hating Obama more than you love Jesus. Common sense tells us Jesus was about as dark as Obama unless you believe Mary was part of a little known group of Swedish Jews that settled in Nazareth. If you can try not to hate your enemies maybe they’ll try not to hate you.

    • Traveller62

      Hey, also dump a ton of birth control meds in the wells. It will knock down the birth rate over there for a while, at least. But………………….cyanide sounds good.

      • fideux

        As long as the camels are drinking from the wells!

        • the_puppy

          I have never seen a camel in Afghanistan just a whole lot of white Toyota Corollas which make me nervous when parked beside the road for no damn good reason.

      • the_puppy

        You missed the point and are literally trying to go to Hell because evil begets evil.

        • Traveller62

          In your opinion, for which you are entitled to give.

    • Floridastorm

      Sorry to differ with you. Bush had ROE that were no different than in the conflicts that we had before Iraq and Afghanistan. It was Obama who made the drastic changes to the ROE in Afghanistan and he is responsible for the 10 fold deaths and wounded to our soldiers because of the handcuffing of them with absurd political correctness.

      Fighting a war under the command of Barack Obama is very different than fighting under the command of any president who has ever come before. Up until president #44, commanders-in-chief actually had some degree of trust in the soldiers under their command. They put them into battle for one reason, summed up by President Ronald Reagan’s statement: “We win, they lose.” They sent them with commonsense rules for civilized warfare, and then they gave them the mandate to go out and win. Today we have a commander-in-chief who would prefer not to talk about actually winning:

    • Wingedgodd3ss

      I like your option 1

  • Heyitswheeler

    Our troops have to abide by these BS rules of engagement but yet it’s perfectly fine for the NSA or whoever else in the government to drop bombs from drones into weddings full of innocent civilians to kill 1 target. smh, things are so retarded.

  • tl cox

    Gen David Petraeus was the architect of counter-insurgency (COIN) strategy in today’s Army. The Petraeus COIN doctrine was an integral part of the US “surge” in Iraq, which played a role in the reversal of declining US military fortunes in that country. As Afghanistan commander, he shaped the current strategy.

  • disabledvet’swife

    COIN is a worthless endeavor with a heartless enemy. There may be a few exceptions to the rule, but we are dealing with an enemy who has been brainwashed from the crib to present, to hate and to kill infidels by any means possible. We are dealing with a group of people who sacrifice their own children for the “good of Allah”. You think our strict rules of engagement makes our enemies want to forget the life long lies that they have been told and decide to become an infidel? Our rules of engagement do not mean anything to these people–Remember their OWN CHILDREN do not mean anything to them.

  • monacall

    I served 22 yeas. I would highly discourage any young person from joining any military component until this traitor and traitors are gone.

    • kktex12

      Unfortunately there are in both parties. The rinos are dedicated to the murder of our military just as the demorots are. I served 22 also. I would not recommend anyone join today. The military doesn’t run the battlefield but the fatas-es in the district of corruption do.

      • monacall

        I think the military should now. We all took the same oath.

    • tl cox

      We need to replace the people in all three branches and take the ones in now and send them away … maybe Iran or someplace in Saudi Arabia …

      • monacall

        NO we don’t. Need anymore people in We need to bring them. All home everyone.

    • Paper Boy

      Discouraging military enlistment is actually a goal.

      • monacall

        That’s a good goal.

        • Paper Boy

          Then renew the conscription system, known as the draft.

          • monacall

            WHY? I don’t want any of our young people in the military with this traitor in chief..

          • Paper Boy

            He’s probably already thinking about it, for security and world order, of course.

  • toongail

    War is meant to break things and kill or disable the enemy – not to try to win hearts and minds – if you cannot stomach that GET OUT!

  • Charles L Smith SR

    This situation gets worse daily.

  • Henry L

    It is quite obvious that Obama could not care less about people’s lives; only his own ass seems to have any value. I do not think it does.

    • bet1125

      Reggie Love also thinks his ass has value.

  • Patriot

    FLOOD and I MEAN FLOOD Speaker Boehner’s office with DEMANDS OF IMPEACHMENT. If his switchboard, Twitter account, Facebook page, and e-mail is shut down, he will HAVE to LISTEN.

  • DNS

    Shades of Vietnam. We also had Rules of Engagement. Close combat rules of engagement with civilians on site have been imposed in every other war-action the USA has ever fought during the last 69 years. Fact. Jack. Don’t like it? Don’t go to war as a civilized people or appoint someone to move all non-combatants out of the way or attach large “do not hurt” signs to them in the middle of a shootout be they in cities or countryside. Or act as human shields. War with a mix of innocents and enemy is…a…bit…difficult. And costly.

    • Traveller62

      The bad thing about Vietnam is that we were fighting them in their own territory. We bombed the heck out of them, but their tunnels way below ground kept them from being hurt too badly. They had complete hospitals, small cities, everything underground.

      • fistdeyuma

        Not true. After 68 we were fighting North Viet Name fighters in South Viet Nam. It is amazing how people can never get their facts straight.

        • Traveller62

          True. Father fought in Nam, ex who was in Nam, came back, Marine Corps husband who was in Nam TWICE (who volunteered for it). Get your facts straight from some veterans who were there and saw it up close. If you were over there and didn’t see it, I still suggest looking into the specifics of the so-called “war” that LBJ sent our boys into. I’m a vet myself. I’m also a military brat, raised by Air Force officer of the “old school” which entitles me to a closer look into all this, than the regular civillian child. Husband, Marine Corps of the “old school” back in the early 60’s said he saw more of that than he wanted to see, but came back home, after two tours over there, fully sane, and NOT spat upon by the wussies of that time, as he left the airport. Are you a veteran of the services?

    • Floridastorm

      Well, of course. The Vietnam war was started by Kennedy and continued by Johnson, both democrats. The Vietnam war was ended by Nixon, a Republican.

  • Lloyd 2 Chronicles 7:14

    The military needs to take the action necessary to protect themselves. Obama is not on the ground getting shot at by the enemy. He is spending our tax dollars on expensive trips, laying golf, basketball and having a great time while our young me and women shed their blood for what a demonic leader who is a Muslim. He is the enemy.

    • Thomas Meadows

      He is a TRAITOR to this country

  • bungicord

    Soon there will be a draft as no sane young man will join up on his own. No one wants to be a target and that’s exactly what Onada wants our troops to be.

  • Helen

    THIS FRAUD IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS DOING THIS INTENTIONALLY. I WOULD EITHER TELL THE MILITARY I AM GETTING OUT AND GETTING OUT NOW UNTIL AND UNLESS THE RULES ARE CHANGED. YOU CAME TO FIGHT NOT TO BE A TARGET AND THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WANTS YOU TO BE. DO NOT LET THAT NARCISTIC ASS WIN. HE IS THE ENEMY! AND DO NOT FORGET IT.
    HE IS NO COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!!!! HE IS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, JUST LIIKE HIS BROTHER!
    AND OUR MILITARY IS HIS ENEMY. THAT IS WHY SO MANY GENERALS ARE NO LONGER THERE, THEY WOULD NOT DO HIS BIDDING AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU.

  • gian2012

    My dad served in WWII and Korea. Back then their were no pussy “rules of engagement”. You did as the Romans did ,no negotiation with the enemy ,you killed them instead. War is war and at best ugly but there’s you and there’s your enemy–So do you wait until he attempts to kill you which is what he’s hell bent on doing? Or, do you kill him first and face a court marshal for killing a buddy of the president because he’s Muslim? Isn’t it time we had a genuine real American in the White House instead of a fraud who has decimated our military and turned the Pentagon into a bigger perfumed palace than ever with political correctness? Homosexuals in the military? How trendy ! How about throwing a guy in Leavenworth because he killed his enemy? Yes, that has occurred also. I guess in the old days if ROE were the rule my dad in Europe or Korea would be serving a life sentence in Leavenworth for all the enemies he killed especially to not be killed so he could come home in one piece and not in a body bag which he did. Ditto my father in law who was a Korean vet in heavy artillery and sent a lot of Chicom enemy to whatever they called heaven with 72 virgins awaiting them and all the Sake they could drink. No rules of engagement, he sent them to ultimate happiness. The current Muslims don’t want politically correct rules of engagement, they want to be martyrs so they’re probably cursing Obama for not letting them be exterminated. Boy is Obama dumb !

  • perfectlyaged

    I was a registered and voting Democrat for almost sixty years and when Obama ran for President, I changed to an Independent! I did not vote for Obama either time…he has changed our America from the America I knew most of my life. America was not perfect then, but we slept each night with our doors unlocked. Obama rules (?) with a hollow, meaningless and inactionable (I) (me) (my) (mine) frame of mind. My foreign friends tell me their countries (Belgium, Germany & Canada) see America as having a weak leader and America is no longer the strong power of the world. I get up on my soap-box about the treatment our military (active & retired) and disabled veterans are receiving…send emails regularly to Obama and the Defense Department. I have come to the conclusion that Americans are hesitant to march on Washington like some of the foreign countries have/are marching on their government!

  • georgemachock

    get this on Fox!!!!!!

  • Sunshine Kid

    73% of the deaths (since 2009) are attributed to the change of policy by the Resident in crime. It is like Obama said the military could win with one hand tied behind its back and proceeded to handcuff both hands and one foot behind the back and expect a victory.

  • pistofftxpyr

    Forget the Taliban. Shoot Obama instead.

    • Floridastorm

      And can we get Dear Leader to visit the troops in Afghanistan. Ooops. My M27 accidentally discharged, Sir. Can’t understand why it fired 3 times, Sir.

  • MARK FREDERICK

    Just like Viet Nam, you could see the enemy with weapons and we were told not to fire unless we were fired upon, they could come in close enough to shake our hands and we could not fire. They don’t won’t to win the war of course terror doesn’t have a face, it just kills and leaves no pictures to hang up on Post Office walls. Hussain Obama Bin Lying promised to bring our soldiers home in 2008 some almost 16,000 lives ago, either take off the pink gloves or let them fight.

  • Traveller62

    Too many armchair presidents running the show, such as LBJ, in his famous quip: “They can’t bomb an outhouse without me knowing about it!”. Truman telling our forces to bomb HALF A BRIDGE in Korea.

  • Destry

    How would this effort by the FCC in any way be constitutional. A clear violation of the first amendment.

  • TOTLAM

    That “hearts and minds” crap didn’t work in “Nam” either! We were told that any “zipper” had to have a weapon in his hand or we couldn’t shoot him. Makes me wonder if the same rules would apply to our own troops patrolling our streets under Martial Law?

  • Ross A Lloyd

    Your Government is on the side of the enemy because you have the Muslim Brotherhood running it over there my Yankee Mates!

    https://www.facebook.com/GetEmilybyRossALloyd

  • Tagdogs

    Couldn’t expect anything else from a president who has no understanding of the military or its importance!

  • Malcolm Jensen

    And now the President of Afghanistan has freed more of the Taliban so they can kill more Americans faster.

  • Malcolm Jensen

    The Rules of Engagement were the only reason we lost in Vietnam. They are a sure indicator that trained military leaders are being forced not to lead by politicians that never served can run the war. A sure way to guarantee that more soldiers will be sacrificed to fill the pockets of political thieves.

    • Floridastorm

      Malcolm…………..there was one reason and one reason only that we didn’t win in Vietnam. The 7 day devastation bombing of North Vietnam by Nixon had Ho Chi Minh ready to unconditionally surrender by the 3rd day. However, Nixon was told by the top CIA Chief and Ambassador in South Vietnam to stop the bombing. Frank Snepp, the #2 CIA Agent in charge, knew that this advice was wrong and he sent a “For Your Eyes Only” message to Nixon telling him to continue the bombing until the actual surrender is done. Kissinger intercepted the message and Nixon never read it. Ho Chi Minh never surrendered. the bombing was stopped, and the war went on for another 3 years with additional thousands of American soldiers killed and wounded. If you doubt what I say read Frank Snepp’s book “Decent Interval”. Kissinger should have been tried for treason and executed as should the top CIA Chief and Ambassador.

      • Malcolm Jensen

        I know for fact that the ROE got a lot of men killed in ‘Nam. When you have to wait to get permission to return fire from the folks back in DC, you are dead. I have one friend that was court marshaled for returning fire. At least he and five others came back alive.

  • joanne

    As I have said, we play war now, not fight war, we should never start one enter a war unless we are going to FIGHT a war. It is criminal what we are doing to our service people.

  • Paul Macleod

    it’s obama…he said himself that he would side with the muslims .. and he has. he absolutely should be tried for treason.. dealing with the enemy comes in many forms.. tying the hands of our military for the benefit of the enemy is one of them.. good men and women have died because the Commander in chief has no loyalty toward the United States and he has the power to bind behind our backs, the ability to win and move on.. the stats are there to read.. .. there is no mistake .. it is his plan

  • bjreg3

    Brought to you by the liberal administration! Killing our soldiers in scores since Vietnam!

  • Sam

    Obama is on the side of the terrorists. He sees them as “revolutionary fighters”. I am not joking one bit. This fraud in the Oval Office deserves to be left in Afghanistan with NO weapons at all!

  • Herman L. McCloud

    I totally agree with “2War Abn Vet” below with one exception, It’s not our so called government, but
    only a choice few starting with this individual dictator posing as a president “obama” czar’s and all
    those brainwashed politicians whom follow his commands, What I’m personally bitching about is why
    is it taking so long for impeachment, were no further along than when he was first Inaugurated. I’d
    like to know why our remaining level headed politicians haven’t started procedures. It’s easy to see
    the problem and it’s easy to solve the problem, Get rid of “obama” and his administration Get rid of
    our biggest problem.

  • smogdew

    COIN is absolutely insane; our military & rules & regulations are obviously run by Obama and his Islamic
    friends who have TOP SECRET clearance and there is no way the US will come out on top or come home.. 75% of our deaths in the mid-east have been on Obama’s watch; Obama has changed all military training manuals to stipulate the military shall NOT allude to Islam in negative terms; thousands of Bibles sent to our troops by a private US org. were, on directions from the Pentagon, were confiscated & burned War College instructors teaching the ‘ways of Islam & the mid-east’ have been been demoted and/or fired. You cannot pray, ‘in Jesus name’ on anything military – ships, bases etc. Obama has eviscerated the list of top Brass by firing them all; we absolutely cannot engage in a WW as 85% of our military is NOT prepared. He has weakened and distracted our military by allowing LGBTs in and now sexual aggression is over the top.
    He is on another vacation. He is out of his mind and we need, desperately, to get him out of the White House before another soldier is killed.

  • GirlIQ

    Where is the hypocritical media? Reported on every death to rally peop

    • Floridastorm

      It’s 100% true. When Bush was in office all you heard and saw were daily updates on both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and were shown how bad things were going for us. With Obama in office the Afghanistan war and the Libyan conflict are not even covered by our totally corrupt news media. I think the next war should be our military against the news media. Could probably have 3 marines and 3 Navy seas take on that whole bunch of pansies as they cower behind their laptops.

  • fistdeyuma

    We saw the same thing in Nam. While on post I overheard a call to the command post. They were being fired on and needed permission to fire back. After some delay they got, “Call us back if anything else happens.” Every post (all posts could hear every call) yelled, “What!!!!”
    This was not Army but Marines!

    • the_puppy

      I’ve heard the same story a number of times. My personal response is multiple accidental discharges toward where the firing came from.

  • Doc

    Late in the Vietnam war we ran into the same crap; including having to shout “Halt! Who goes there!” Marines solved this ROE with a minor modification; “Halt” Bang “Who went there?” Seemed to work for us. Marines are created to fight, and soldiers as well. Tying their hands is treason. If only we could give members of congress guns (Anyone think they know what a trigger is?) and send THEM out on point.

  • OSAMA OBAMA

    God bless our fighting men and women….then, may God damn, not America as J. Wright said, but this administration and the military high command.

  • icemancold

    WELL: The only way to win in any type of fight is fight the same way with the same weapons as the enemy. THERE ARE NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IN WAR. WAR IS WAR AND IT IS FOUGHT TO WIN not make lifelong buddies out of the enemy. If the enemy fires at you fire back until there is no one left to return fire. IT IS CALLED GETTING AND MAINTAINING FIRE SUPERIORITY PERIOD.!!!

  • Northman56

    It is time for our soldiers to rack their arms, stay in their barracks, and refuse ALL orders from their Officer Corps until this political war on our own military is stopped. See how much Obama and his sycophant Generals can accomplish without the “point of the spear” acknowledging their ILLEGAL, INSANE orders. The senior political machine and senior officer corps is used to being able to intimidate the enlisted warfighters by emphasizing ‘tradition”, “esprit de corps”, “Chain of command”, etc. And they can deal with individuals who decide “enough is enough”. It is time for a “Spartacus” type enlisted character (yes, I know that he was actually a slave gladiator in Rome, but do you really think that being an enlisted soldier in today’s Army is all that different?) to rise up and clearly state, “NO, sir”, we will not comply.” AND then have the support of his fellow enlisted soldiers to make it stick. It is going to take flat out mutiny to stop this crap. By the time an Officer makes Colonel, he is over 50 % Politician these days. He is looking for that damned “Star”. And once he gets it, forget about him being a damned soldier, he is at least 75% Politician. And the more stars, the bigger the percentage. Their is no one on the JCS or even just 4-star rank that has any memory of humping a ruck in the field with even a remote threat of someone shooting at him. They talk of “managing” soldiers, not “Leading” them. Our senior officer corps has become rotten at the top, with the help of the “Traitor In Chief”, Obama. And oh yes, as Shakespeare once said “First, kill all of the lawyers”. Well, you don’t have to kill all of the JAG officers, just stick a damned rifle in their hands and ship them off to Afghanistan to a front line unit as a private and let them follow their own damned rules for a while! My two cents.

    • the_puppy

      Yes, make the officers lead every operation.

  • Ronald Howard

    Hey, I pulled two tours in Viet Nam. Johnson and McNamara controlled that war down to battalion and group level. Their ROE’S were just as insane as Obama’s. The term ROE IS THE MOST HATED TERM FOR ANY FIGHTNG MAN IN OUR ARMED FORCES AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN SINCE THE KOREAN WAR!

  • practicedcynic

    When are the idiot voters out there going to see the lack moral and intellectual thinking that is the hallmark of the loonie lefties? The front line military should go on strike!

  • loran

    Just another example that shows how Obama and the progressives HATE the military. But what really pisses me off is the fact that they constantly say and do things to support our veterans, especially wounded veterans, when they do not in their hearts.

  • Bob Walker

    the
    ROE’s should consist of two (2) principles. (1) The Taliban and Al
    Qaeda, and anyone who helps them, are the enemy. (2) Kill the enemy
    (see #1 for a definition of the enemy).

  • http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM TOM P O’DONNELL

    I GOT THE MAN FOR THE JOB. NO STRINGS ATTACHED

    WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT OUR WAY OUT OF THIS MESS. WE NEED A LEADER
    WITH EXPERIENCE. LOVE OF THIS COUNTRY AND A WARRIOR. ONE WHO CAN PROTECT
    THE CONSTITUTION, THE PEOPLE AND KNOWS HOW TO PLAN. ONE WHO HAS EARNED THE TRUST
    OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. EVERYTHING WE DO FROM TODAY ON IS TO SOLIDIFY HIS
    BASE.

    LET’S GO TO WAR.

    OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. GENERAL STANLEY MCCHRYSTAL. FOR A UNITED
    STATES.

    ENDORSED 2-15-14 BY THE SPIRIT OF AMERICA PARTY.

    http://youtu.be/mh23lfp4ecA SEE VIDEO.

    THE FIRST CASUALTY IN THE COMMUNIST TAKEDOWN OF THE US MILITARY.

    OTHERS WOULD FOLLOW.

    HE WHO FIGHTS AND STEPS ASIDE WILL RETURN TO RESTORE AMERICAN PRIDE.

    STRIKE FOR YOUR COUNTRY BOYS. RALLY AROUND A PROVEN LEADER.

    NO MORE MBS.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/spiritofamericapartybook/2014/02/15/we-have-a-presidential-candidate

  • Ross R Blankert

    Glad I got out but folks, if you are still in the USA you need to scatter as the US military are being asked to make YOU the enemy. Tea Party grandmas and conservatives and Christians are now considered potential terrorists and are being targeted by the DHS.

  • Hope2002

    You all know you are crazy, right

  • AZWarrior

    I Nam, as a gunner, I had this Motto: “I’d rather ask forgiveness later than permission now.”

    • Paper Boy

      Bingo!

  • Paper Boy

    The Rules of Engagement are close to murder. Both Bush and Obama ordered them and they are responsible for sharp increases in the deaths and seriously wounded soldiers in Afghanistan. It’s no wonder that ISIS boldly decapitates American citizens with impunity. You would almost believe that this is a strategy to weaken our armed forces, intentionally, and should be called “internal diminishment” instead of Rules of Engagement.

  • Paper Boy

    The rules of engagement can now be applied to sports. For example, you cannot make a touchdown unless the opponent makes one first.

  • Paper Boy

    On this web site and others like it, our voices have some impact, but the progressive socialist liberal media control most of the narrative. You could conclude that the media and the government got married in order to “fundamentally transform America.”